Are We There Yet?

Who are we without a living relationship to place and community? How do we measure progress in ways that keep people and systems alive? Season 3 of Are We There Yet? opens with an exploration of what it means to live off the land—metaphorically, physically, collectively. Despite being creatures who created rich cultural traditions rooted in ancestral place, we are also now global citizens, and for many our connection to land has been fractured, potentially altering who we are as a species. So what does it mean to “return to the land” in a modern, digitized life? 

With each new episode, Season 3 will focus on the lessons we can learn from permaculture—a modern philosophy built on indigenous traditions co-developed over millennia as we evolved in our environment—as both a land-based practice and a framework for living. Within a structure provided by the twelve principles of permaculture, hosts Sonja Ernst and Jamie Hardy discuss how the philosophy’s core ethics—Earth care, people care, and fair share—extend beyond gardening to shape business, communication, and personal growth in ways that will help shape our future for the better.

You’ve worked tirelessly and achieved the pinnacle of what is humanly possible long before turning 30. Then what? What measures success when medals fade into memory? Are we more defined by expectations—our own, others’—or by the choices we make every day? When staring down burnout, is stepping back quitting, or preserving oneself? Olympic bronze medalist swimmer Natalie Hinds shares with Sonja and Jamie her powerful journey from Midland, Texas—where she followed her older sister into the pool and kindled a love of swimming—to the international stage. As one of the few Black girls in her community sport, Natalie forged a new path for herself and others to follow in her wake. But this success came with intense pressure, ultimately leading to burnout. After time away from competition helped her rediscover her passion and clarify her goals, Natalie returned at the top of her game. Now half a decade later and leading a life largely off the blocks, she has a wise perspective on the connection between teamwork and leadership, as well as the value of prioritizing mental health and wellbeing. Natalie’s story is an inspiring reminder that success isn’t just about medals—it’s about embracing the journey, finding balance, and leading with authenticity.

How do we balance a life-defining career with the strain it can place on life outside it? How can we reconcile complex identities that may clash at home and in our careers? When a profession shapes your identity, who are you once it ends? 

Mary Winchester and Sarah Defur’s stories reveal how unexpected detours can lead to purpose, leadership, and resilience. Mary’s path began at seventeen in the Army Reserves, evolving into a vital biomedical engineering role during Operation Desert Storm. Sarah, once set on becoming a veterinarian, found her calling in firefighting and emergency medicine. In this powerful season two extra about the stratospheric highs and chasmic depths, both women share how they faced life’s toughest moments—Mary’s sudden job loss and Sarah’s heartbreaking loss of a child—with strength, faith, and the sometimes awkward but always well-meaning support of their communities. Navigating high-stakes careers in male-dominated fields, they reflect on stepping into leadership, challenging norms, and forming deep bonds through shared experiences. In a refreshing take on our eternal question, are we ever really “there,” or is life just chapters of becoming?

What is an educator’s role in developing well-rounded students facing an unpredictable future? Can an emphasis on social-emotional learning close persistent gaps created by the pandemic? How should educators center human connection in tech-heavy classrooms? In this episode of "Are We There Yet?," Sonja & Jamie sit down with Luis Ramirez, principal of Littlebrook Elementary in Princeton, NJ, to dive into the evolving landscape of educating young children in the age of AI. Emphasizing the importance of teacher-led implementation to ensure technology enhances rather than detracts from the learning experience—from circle time to tech tools—Ramirez highlights the importance of listening, staff collaboration, and experiential storytelling in supporting students’ growth.

In this episode of "Are We There Yet?," global leadership expert Gerd Hoefner shares fascinating insights from his decades-long journey across multicultural landscapes managing teams across borders, cultures, and time zones. Sonja and Jamie explore with him the transformative power of cultural sensitivity in organizations, digging into the nuts and bolts of employee engagement and open communication. Together they explore the universal human need for authentic connection, arriving at the importance of understanding diverse perspectives in our interconnected world. Tune in to discover how cultural awareness can drive personal and organizational success.

What role does emotion play in effective communication? What makes words so powerful they can stick with you for the rest of your life? In this podcast episode, Sonja and Jamie meet renowned speechwriter and professor Jim Holtje to discuss the enduring power of storytelling through all eras of human civilization. From Aristotle's principles of pathos and logos that emphasize the emotional impact of narratives, Jim underscores the value of human relationships and personal stories that AI cannot mimic. Together they explore the societal implications of AI, such as career displacement, and the urgency for proactive political discourse on AI. As AI comes for white-collar jobs and transforms speech writing, Jim highlights the importance of maintaining human connection and uncovering personal stories that technology simply cannot replicate.

How does open communication contribute to sustainable change? How can leaders balance the demands of immediate objectives with long-term vision? What strategies can be employed to build consensus in diverse teams? In this episode, Retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General David Bassett sits down with Sonja and Jamie to share insights on empathetic leadership drawn from his 35-year military career and transition to private sector consulting. He emphasizes leadership as a marathon, advocating for fluid communication and consensus-building to achieve sustainable change through time and geographies. There is nuanced overlap in motivating teams across both mission-driven and commercial organizations, highlighting human connection as a core strength in building resilience. And as former director of the Defense Contract Management Agency overseeing billions of dollars in military contracts, Lt. Gen. Bassett addresses misconceptions about government inefficiency, emphasizing the importance of valuing people over technology. Together they cover strategies for maintaining organizational identity and unity, and discuss why prioritizing people is essential amidst transformational change.

Chaos theory shows that both the future and the past are unknowable. Exponential growth always seems to be stymied by an unpredictable limitation that flattens the curve. Creativity happens when something is new, surprising, and has value. But how do we assign value when we are awash in a world of endless data? Mathematics is one universal storytelling language that can help decipher what the universe is telling us. In one of their most intriguing episodes yet, Sonja and Jamie talk edges, AI, creativity, and the melancholy of solving theorems with Marcus du Sautoy, a celebrated pattern-seeking mathematician deeply invested in journeying into the unknown.

There are hundreds of AI-powered therapy apps on the market today. When we talk to them, are we doing more than just talking to ourselves? Can we reach the same effect by simply stopping to watch snow fall outside? In this intimate episode, Sonja and Jamie use AI as a framework to reflect on the potential illusion of human agency, work-life balance as a rhythmic cycle of rest and productivity, and the essence of true communication.

Resilience, grit, and determination: three essential qualities for achieving one’s goals. But are they enough? This episode we follow Marion Gornick’s career from personal assistant to Siemens Global Head of Cybersecurity Finance, a path fraught with traditional norms, gender biases, and gatekeeping. We learn how Marion turned roadblocks into stepping stones and leaned on her self-awareness and persistence from childhood to reach the pinnacle of corporate success. We explore remote work dynamics, automation, and the role of AI in business, an acute issue in cybersecurity. Marion's insights offer valuable lessons in curiosity, emotional intelligence, and adaptability as key to ensuring teams grow alongside technological progress.