Getting real on the pod this week as a tired episode turns into a bit of overshare. Also a bit of an ideological preview of the upcoming VoIP Life dropping on Friday.

Niamh can be found haunting Export Audio with Ghost Divers and Ornate Stairwells (and Pondering Pootan, which has never haunted anyone) and on twitter @foxmomnia

Em can be found working themselves into an early grave here at Abnormal Mapping and on twitter @em_being

Next episode: The Nibelungenlied, ch. 7-9