A.R.T. Artists Real Talk

Listen to some drunken (or in Noah's case punchdrunk) conversation between host Jacob Patterson and friends after wrapping up Noah's inaugural Immersive Design Summit. IDS 2018 brought together hundreds of creators, producers, and developers from all over the world who work in the quickly emerging world of immersive entertainment. Fields within this genre range from virtual reality to theatre to ASMR, and if any of this stuff interests you, be sure to check out the No Proscenium podcast or ask Jacob for an invite to the Everything Immersive private Facebook group. Hit us up on Instagram to chat, and enjoy our most off the cuff episode to date.

6:00- Intro

Noah Nelson:

https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

Check out Artists Real Talk episode 11 with Noah Nelson:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000379844107

Tommy Honton:

http://tommyhonton.com/

https://twitter.com/angelalansburyd

6:24- First Immersive Design Summit

http://immersivedesignsummit.com/

7:28- Tom Pearson: Third Rail Projects Co-Artist Director

http://www.thirdrailprojects.com/about/#abouthecompany

http://www.thenshefell.com/directors/

8:09- Then She Fell

http://www.thenshefell.com/

Sleep No More

https://mckittrickhotel.com/sleep-no-more/

8:45- Jacob asks Tommy and Noah for advice on what he should do at Sleep No More

12:24- Art Basel

https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach

12:58- Jacob asks Tommy, "What was your overall lesson learned from the summit?"

14:20- Olivia Cueva

oliviacueva.co

14:50- https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

22:50- Noah explains how people heard about the Immersive Design Summit

24:42- Jacob asks, "What would say were the categories of attendees?"

26:50- Noah explains how they made conscious choices to make sure that this was an inclusive event

27:43- "What did you think of the town hall portion?"

30:47- Asking the audience, "what was the thing you saw that made you re-think your work?"

31:45- Tommy running into a scavenger hunt and finding a riddle when he was younger

33:46- When did you know there was a professional world of immersive entertainment?

37:44- When Tommy first experienced immersive experiences

38:43- Tommy reaching out to companies asking if he could work for them even if it's for free

39:30- Andrew McGregor:

http://www.mightykingdrew.com/

https://twitter.com/mightykingdrew

Listen to episode #8 with Andrew McGregor

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000378956175

40:52- Tommy and Noah meeting for the first time an informational interview

43:08- Tommy and Noah ending up in a surprise meeting with the city of Los Angeles for permitting

45:43- Vince Meow Wolf

https://meowwolf.com/author/vince/

47:03- Read more about Candytopia and Happy Place and why they got shut down here:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/candytopia-happy-place-exhibitions-temporarily-close-la-1069964

https://www.timeout.com/los-angeles/blog/happy-place-is-l-a-s-latest-selfie-inspiring-pop-up-111817

http://abc7.com/business/happy-place-candytopia-pop-up-galleries-shut-down-by-la-city/2800918/

47:53- http://www.mama.gallery/

49:01- https://www.museumoficecream.com/

http://the14thfactory.com/

http://thetensionexperience.com/

52:20- Why did we not discuss the selfie palaces or the Ghost Ship?

Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/what-happened-exactly-in-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire

54:57- "Tommy did you feel like it was missing from the conversation?"

57:05- Vince

https://meowwolf.com/author/vince/

Justin Fix

https://scarela.com/speakers/justin-fix/

http://www.thewillowsla.com

57:22- Noah's opinion on discussing different business challenges with opening up a venue and needing the city on your side.

58:03- Sara Thacher

https://www.disneyresearch.com

58:34- The institute

http://www.theinstitutemovie.com/

1:02:54- https://twitter.com/Jessedamiani

1:04:33- What was the moral of the story on that panel?

1:07:50- Budgets and rates

1:10:11- You have to make yourself valuable to the project

1:10:10- Nova Han

http://novahan.com

1:10:50- Jacob asks Noah, "What other panel did you moderate?"

1:13:54- Check out the Carne Y Arena exhibit at LACMA

http://www.lacma.org/carne-y-arena#landing

1:15:08- Tommy what was your favorite moment at the Immersive Design Summit?

1:16:16- Diana Williams Content Strategist, Lucasfilm's Story Group

https://www.ilm.com/ilmxlab/

Colin Nightingale Creative Producer, Punchdrunk International

https://www.punchdrunk.com/

1:17:14- Curtis Hickman Chief Creative Officer & Co-Founder, The Void

https://www.thevoid.com/

1:17:44- Christ Hickman THE VOID: Creating The Illusion of Reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebwtq1HZJ2A

1:22:47- Jacob goes into detail about his favorite part at the summit

1:23:14- Melina Lauw Co-Creator, Whisperlodge

https://whisperlodge.nyc/

1:27:00-Serial Killers and Immersive theater

1:27:37- Summarizing Sara Thacher

https://www.disneyresearch.com/

1:28:55- How did you guys feel about Sara's speech?

1:35:24- Final wishes for Immersive Design Summit 2019

1:37:45- http://www.serialkillerspeeddating.com/

http://www.abelhorwitz.com/

1:39:58- Tommy Honton:

http://tommyhonton.com/

https://twitter.com/angelalansburyd

http://themuseumofselfies.com/

1:40:32- Noah Nelson:

https://noproscenium.com/

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

https://www.facebook.com/groups/everythingimmersive

http://immersivedesignsummit.com/

https://twitter.com/designimmersive

1:41:35- Jacob Patterson

https://www.instagram.com/jmjpatterson

https://thinktank.gallery/

https://www.instagram.com/thinktankdtl

We're back! It's been a while since A.R.T. has posted an episode of our podcast, and a lot has happened in the interim. If you read between the lines (or read the "farewell letter" we published online after the LA Weekly story last year), then you know a bit of what happened, but our host Jacob Patterson takes a moment in this episode to break down what happened and where we're at because of it. If you don't give a damn and want to hear inspiring creators talk about how they're changing the world, skip this one and head over to the first full episode of Season 2 with the CEO of Meow Wolf.

0:18- What has happened to Artists Real Talk?

1:14- Check out the last episode recorded on Artist Real Talk

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000381750912

2:38- Why Think Tank stopped hosting the podcast, and what happened between season one and season two

3:47- Art Director Dino @nunquamdormio

3:52- Jacob's assistant Elsa @hellsuh

4:00- Sleep No More immersive show in New York

https://mckittrickhotel.com/sleep-no-more/

5:34- What happened to Think Tank Gallery in general

6:00- LA Weekly following the think tank story

6:16- Listen to Artist Real Talk episode 9 with Scott Hove here:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000379211211

6:30- Scott Hove

https://www.facebook.com/cakefangs/

http://cakefangs.com/

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

6:37- Read more about the Ghost Ship Fire here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/what-happened-exactly-in-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire

6:55- LA Weekly

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/in-the-wake-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-popular-downtown-gallery-think-tank-has-been-forced-to-close-8043495

7:02- Think Tank's Farewell letter to DTLA

https://thinktank.gallery/farewell

7:30- Jacob goes into detail about what happened to Think Tank Gallery, what is 939 studio and what is Think Tank gallery doing next.

8:45- Scheduled inspections at Think Tank

10:33- Trap house event

http://www.laweekly.com/event/trap-house-la-opening-night-7434673

12:23- Eviction notice

13:00 Think Tank creating a community a system where a community can run

16:57- Ammon Rost

http://ammonrost.com/

18:02- Re branding / splitting the brand

19:47- Think Tanking only hosting rentals

20:25- Moving from DIY to "do it right" the difference between doing it yourself and doing it correctly so that it could live in its highest potential.

23:14- Cleaning up Think Tank to start renting it out

24:38- Does Think Tank have a social responsibility to re-sign the lease?

25:05- Drinkin' Smokin' West' Coastin' event

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

26:49- Dino the art director of Think Tank, stepping up and helping in inspiring ways.

28:40- Jacob explains how he had to take off his creator hat and put on his business man hat to looking at things more objectively.

31:11- Details about 939 Studio is an event rental site now, when someone wants an artistic collaboration they hit up think tank and from there they will decide if they will pitch it to 939 studio.

33:00- How Think Tank stopped wasting time pursuing things that couldn't be profitable enough to exist and started thinking outside the box

33:45- Think Tank's event Legal Goods

https://thinktank.gallery/youarehere3/

Read more about it here:

https://creators.vice.com/en_us/article/4x9g79/think-tank-la-diy-show-convict-ex-convict-artists

34:03- You are here ll Shoot a cop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CkCcvorZ4&feature=youtu.be

34:35- http://www.laweekly.com/arts/in-the-wake-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-popular-downtown-gallery-think-tank-has-been-forced-to-close-8043495

https://thinktank.gallery/farewell

35:34- Listen to the podcast where Phil America pitches the Legal Goods idea

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/a-r-t-artists-real-talk/id1159607075?mt=2&i=1000380950233

Phil America:

http://philamerica.com/

Instagram @philamerica

36:03- https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/installation/a-gallery-built-inside-a-los-angeles-swap-meet/

36:25- Jacob explains what Legal Goods was about

36:30- Greg Escalante

39:00- Selling art from convicts in Legal Goods

40:05- Bonita swap meet is located at 620 S Alvarado St, Los Angeles, CA 90057

40:03- How a lot of people got offended about a couple white dudes doing this event and the backlash that came from it

42:19- Check out videos of Jacob hanging out with children during the Legal Goods pop up:

https://instagram.com/p/BTNkNa1DHsF/

https://instagram.com/p/BTQE4RNj0of/

42:29- Legal Goods Zine

https://thinktank.gallery/dswc/legal-goods-zine

42:48- Learning about the neighborhood through the children

43:22- Why Legal Goods was an important show for Think Tank

44:59- DSWC Group art show - a testament to LA

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

47:40 Check out the book Built to Last Successful: Habits of Visionary Companies

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials-ebook/dp/B0058DRSHW

48:40- Meow Wolf giving Think Tank a grant

https://meowwolf.com/

https://twitter.com/MeowWolf1

50:14- Scott Hove

https://www.facebook.com/cakefangs/

http://cakefangs.com/

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

51:15- Drinkin Smokin West Coastin - Group love hate letter to LA

https://drinkinsmokinwestcoastin.com/

51:54- How Jacob came up with the idea for DSWC

Read what people had to say about Drinkin' Smokin' and West Coastin'

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/drinkin-smokin-and-west-coastin-is-a-love-hate-letter-to-la-8511955

http://dola.com/events/2017/8/19/drinkin-smokin-west-coastin-a-group-love-hate-letter-to-la

http://www.lataco.com/drinkin-smokin-west-coastin-lovehate-letter-l/

59:42- Whitney bell

https://kiddbell.com/

59:59- Whitney's Dick Pic show

http://www.laweekly.com/event/i-didnt-ask-for-this-a-lifetime-of-dick-pics-8694867

1:00:57- https://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/article/Fully-Immersive-CAUGHT-to-Make-LA-Premiere-at-Think-Tank-Gallery-20171009

http://www.fireflyinc.com/caught/

Nova Han has been producing shows on the scale of Coachella and Night on Broadway for years, but she still spends every moment thinking about the individual interaction with her work. While 50,000 people may be jumping in unison, Nova still attempts to create personal memories for each one of her guests, and she does so through a very solid consciousness that she works through every day in various fields of creation. We talk about her career through theater and into creative direction on some of the most well-known public events in the world, and what it takes to work on such a large stage while maintaining a sense of discovery.

0:00- Intro

0:30- http://novahan.com

1:35- Find us at https://www.instagram.com/thinktankdtla/

2:27- Making the steaks high

3:51- Learn more about the Oakland Ghost ship fire here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/us/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-warehouse.html?_r=0

7:43- What are you thinking about doing with your warehouse space?

8:20- Nova goes into detail about what she is aiming to create in her warehouse. Creating an artistic playground for adults that bring them back to a play state and allowing people to go through a physical challenge where they are required to use teamwork. Nova believes in creating a venue where people can explore space in an artistic way.

9:06- https://meowwolf.com

Scott hove:

http://cakefangs.com

https://www.facebook.com/scott.hove

https://www.facebook.com/The-Art-of-Scott-Hove-223040721087589/

9:13- Trap house:

http://www.traphouse.la

12:13- A lack of experience and places where adults can go to play

14:00- Jacob and Nova explain what Meow Wolf is while giving their thoughts on the success they have encountered and their immersive art space

https://meowwolf.com

17:02 - "Lets make something really cool and sophisticated and not just weld together a grocery cart and satellite dish and call it art"

17:25- How did you start?

19:05- http://lucentevententertainment.com

http://wegotthiscovered.com/music/interview-dream-rockwell-creative-director-lucent-dossier-experience/

20:00- Nova goes into detail of what she did in the circus and how spitting fire lead to lighting her ass on fire

20:53- What made you go from the performance side to the director side?

21:30- Read more about Einsteins theory

https://ivarfjeld.com/2011/03/09/if-honey-bees-become-extinct-human-society-will-follow-in-four-years-albert-einstein/

22:54- Nova explains how she follows her highest attraction even when she does not understand her path

22:40- Nova getting scouted at Coachella

23:50- Were you hired at Coachella as a a contractor to produce something for them?

24:40- Listening to your calling

24:56- From a business women's perspective how do you make sure that someone can find you after seeing the work you created? Do you have to create some pathway for that?

25:40- "People will find you if you put out powerful good work."

27:51- Did you have periods where you were struggling to get where you wanted too be while not getting paid?

28:20- https://workingnotworking.com

30:22- Not stopping what you love to do because of societies standard of a real job

30:41- Can you remember specific moments where you were doing projects that you weren't getting paid for but spent hours on them because you loved them? Did you ever take too many in a row and started to get scared?

32:14- Looking at the "why you are doing it."

32:37- Jacob talks about transiting from the Think Tank to other work

33:00- Listen to Mark Schustrin on Episode 3: The science of sales, selling art from auctions to Instagram and find more of him here:

bid27.com

instagram.com/bid27art

[email protected]

35:21- Searching internally for who you are

36:00- Do you have methods to answer the question of "why" for yourself?

36:18- There is nothing to figure out, every day you are changing and evolving from new experience and approaching yourself daily

37:00- Nova goes into detail of how she makes time for discovery by following what excites her like traveling, jewelry making and pottery— by allowing yourself to follow what you are passionate about outside of work it will potentially give you that extra knack that'll help you in work areas.

39:40- "I am in the state of discovery"

40:20- Creativity is a tank you fill up

41:17- Graphic designers

41:40-Blake Neubert

instagram.com/blakeneubert

www.cavitycreep.squarespace.com

43:38- Built to Last book

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials/dp/0060516402/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487739952&sr=8-1&keywords=built+to+last+book

Steve Jobs biography

https://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1501127624/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487739981&sr=8-1&keywords=steve+jobs+biography

45:12- Walter Issacson

https://www.amazon.com/Einstein-Life-Universe-Walter-Isaacson/dp/0743264746/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487740387&sr=8-1&keywords=walter+isaacson+einstein

https://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Franklin-American-Walter-Isaacson/dp/074325807X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487740433&sr=8-1&keywords=walter+isaacson+ben+franklin

46:44- How to stay inspired

48:05- John F Kennedy

49:00- Nova talks about hanging out with Elon Musk and a conversation they had about why he wanted to go to outer space

Who is Elon Musk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

https://twitter.com/elonmusk

51:00- Art creating an awakening in people

52:10- Staying inspired, creating inspiration and people being able to whiteness themselves through yourself.

52:40- Finding a tight group of people who value what you do

52:50- Setting audacious goals to keep yourself inspired

53:41- https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/millennials-dont-suck-podcast/id1153884990?mt=2&i=1000379014213

54:40- What goals have you set that are large?

56:30- Jacob talks about how kids think their ideas are irresponsible

57:51-When you do come up with an idea and you have to change it significantly to make it real, where do you decide to compromise?

1:00:08- Have you noticed that as you gone through your 20's and into your 30's that you've become more flexible with your ideas or more firm?

1:01:00- Fighting for an artistic vision and trusting yourself

1:02:03- When did you discover that it only takes a little bit of extra time to make something extraordinary?

1:02:22- When did you first step into the position of saying, "okay Im a director now?"

1:06:00- Nova goes into detail about how in the beginning she didn't feel comfortable taking on the title of a creative director leadership role

1:07:10- Do you feel like you ran into struggles because you are a woman of color?

1:08:20- Navigating your approach

1:09:20- Do you remember any specific instances where you struggled to find that truth in your interactions?

1:11:00- "The idea of a good leader initiates difficult conversations."

1:11:55- Have you always been able to initiate difficult conversations?

1:13:00- Nova explains what it was like growing up within an asian culture

1:15:26- How having theater as an outlet helped Nova

1:17:55- What was the relationship with your parents like after your show?

1:20:10- Explain some of your productions. What are you creating for people now and why?

1:23:32- Worlds largest functional pin wheel

1:25:15- Did you know you were going to make it in the Guinness World Records before you did it or did you find out after?

1:25:51- Was this narrative explained to the audience?

1:28:51- How do you deal with something that doesn't plan out the way you wanted it too?

1:31:00- Being visually upset and having public freak outs

1:33:00- Moving through bad situations with grace

1:34:07- Jacob goes into detail about two things he likes to live by. One, is to take a moment step back and watch what people are experiencing. The second is to "do it to the best of your ability until its done," and then when its done make two binders one saying what went well and what went poorly to look back on.

1:36:00- Making failures an asset to you

1:38:14- What kind of setting do you aspire to make when you are approached for festivals now? When you approach the electric forest festival every year; what kind of goals do you set out with for those productions?

http://novahan.com/stage-shows/electric-forest-2016/

http://novahan.com/stage-shows/electric-forest-2012/

1:40:11- Do yo have a set team that you work with now?

1:40:27- Nova talks about creating a permanent space where people can come to regularly for interaction and like-minded people

1:43:09- Where can people find you?

http://novahan.com

My Haunt Life is the best place for long form content that any LA-based scare fiend can find. While their basis is most certainly haunts, Mike and Russell cover everything from haunted houses to immersive theatre. The latter is really where this conversation takes off, and we go pretty deep on certain topics that provide insight and opportunity for creators looking to make a tangible impact on their guests. There is no better source to find out about the most cutting edge stuff in the immersive haunt world, so diving into how Mike and Russell see that world at this moment is a real treat.

0:00- Intro

7:06- Night on Broadway

http://nightonbroadway.la

8:43 Introduction Russell and Mike from My Haunt Life

http://www.myhauntlife.com/category/blog/

10:55- What is a ARG? An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive networked narrative that uses the real world as a platform and uses transmedia storytelling to deliver a story that may be altered by players' ideas or actions.

13:03- http://thetensionexperience.com

13:33- Mike are you really experienced in ARG's? when was the first one you ran into?

17:03- Tune into episode 11 to hear more about Noah Nelson and the Tension Experience

http://thetensionexperience.com

17:43- How did you guys find the Tension Experience?

22:10- Ron English Hulk:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ron+english+hulk+baby&espv=2&biw=1087&bih=699&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE6c3v-o3SAhVnz1QKHdltC1AQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=ron+english+hulk

24:03- How did they first get out the information for the Tension Experience?

25:33- Thoughts on the Tension experience and how Russell and Mike believe it is the best thing in Los Angeles

28:26- http://speakeasysociety.com

Annie Lesser:

instagram.com/gettingtoknowyou

http://www.goldenstatehaunts.org/2017/02/09/go-to-the-wild-with-shine-on-collective/

29:21- Read about the upcoming shows Russell and Mike mention at http://www.myhauntlife.com/los-angeles-haunt-calendar/

29:38- How often do you find the process of people wanting to be apart of it then people falling off? Is there a pattern within the personal line that is crossed with the people who fall off or does it move show to show?

31:43- http://fourlarks.com/production/basicflowers/

32:23- Jacob goes into detail of how Immersive theater is a great way to flip the art world upside down.

33:13- Karen Finley

http://karenfinley.com/photos.php

https://www.moma.org/artists/38715?locale=en

36:18- How do you think the experience was for the people who only went to the haunt portion of the Tension Experience?

45:09- What do you think would have happen if you changed your character and started reacting in the opposite way?

46:43- If you had to suggest an experience to the audience which one would it be?

Lust Experience: http://thelustexperience.com

48:33- Where would you suggest the audience to start at, to those who have not been exposed to the Immersive theater?

http://thelustexperience.com

https://www.facebook.com/thelustexperience/

http://thetensionexperience.com

50:03- Is there a way for the people who weren't involved with the tension experience to get caught up?

https://www.periscope.tv/the_tension_exp/1DXGyoYwwjRxM?

http://thetensionexperience.com/forums/

52:03- Thoughts on how The Haunt life documented The Tension Experience on their podcast

53:43- Jacob goes into detail about how and why he first got off-put about the Immersive world

http://www.nightgallery.ca

54:33- Megan Reilly:

https://medium.com/no-proscenium/looking-for-a-game-with-consequences-81b6ebd53f92#.n9n82754i

54:58- Scott Hove:

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

http://cakefangs.com

https://www.facebook.com/scott.hove

https://www.facebook.com/The-Art-of-Scott-Hove-223040721087589/

Breakbread

http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/

55:33- Russell and Mike explain why they do what they do with "My Haunt Life", and how they wanted to give real genuine reviews for the people.

59:33- Russell and Mike go into detail about the Immersive world and how "there is a difference between creating a show where you want to pull them in and involve them and then you have the other thing where someone in the audience is forced to do something they don't want too."

59:33- On your guy's podcast you break down honest reviews on Immersive shows, going into detail about what was good/bad from both of your point of views and you then end it with the show as a whole- has this been a structure since then start, or did it come naturally?

1:02:28- What were you guys doing before, you said it was a craigslist add?

1:04:13- Did you guys meet at Scare LA?

http://scarela.com

http://www.theblackoutexperience.com

1:05:03- The story of how Russell and Mike met

1:09:44- Flying Lotus Film

http://pitchfork.com/news/71108-flying-lotus-film-kuso-triggers-mass-walkouts-at-sundance/

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/we-talk-to-flying-lotus-about-kuso-one-of-the-most-disgusting-movies-ever-made

1:10:44- The Queen Marry

http://www.queenmary.com/tours-exhibits/tours-exhibits-attractions/haunted-encounters/

1:11:18- Matt Durado:

thedrunkendevil.com

1:12:35-

http://www.shineoncollective.com

https://www.facebook.com/CreepLosAngeles

1:13:13- The Hollywood Fringe Fest will have an Immersive show category this year learn more details at http://www.hollywoodfringe.org

1:14:43- Teri Hatcher

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000159/

1:15:43- Russell, did you have a background in theater?

1:20:33- Mike, how did you get into the haunt world?

1:25:14- Speakeasy

http://novacancyla.com

1:25:23- Jacob goes into detail about when he went to a Immersive haunted experience alone and how it impacted him

1:29:03-http://www.thealoneexperience.com

1:37:34- The Rope Experience:

http://screenshot.productions

1:40:33- Russell talks about weird experiences with fans since he is in the Blackout documentary and how haunts have to sometimes deal with overactive fans

http://www.theblackoutexperience.com

1:44:31- http://www.thealoneexperience.com

1:46:35- A lot of people go to Knott's Scary farm or the Queen Marry because this is what they know. Now things are starting to spread with the Immersive world and with all the knew people learning about these Immersive shows, they do not know the rules how do you think producers should handle their new audiences?

1:50:03- Escape rooms and people ripping and or breaking pieces

1:50:45- Its the communities responsibility to approach escape rooms and Immersive theater shows appropriately

1:54:03- http://fourlarks.com/production/basicflowers/

1:55:17- What advice would you give to people who are already making shows or who want to step it up in this world?

1:57:13- "Create, take risks, invite people in to what you create but respect them for taking the risk to follow you."

2:00:03- Producers need good customer service

2:03:33- How do you bring customer service during an Immersive experience without breaking character?

2:04:55- What happens to you when its not haunt season? What are you guys up too right now and what are you looking forward too?

2:05:28- If you could suggest a show right now what would it be?

http://speakeasysociety.com

https://www.facebook.com/TheSpeakeasySoc/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPMnOMmncGM

http://www.shineoncollective.com/devoted

http://www.shineoncollective.com/shows/

2:07:11- What are you guys looking forward to with Scare LA coming up this summer?

http://scarela.com

http://midsummerscream.org

2:07:56- Find more of Russell and Mike at

http://www.myhauntlife.com

Find different events of escape rooms and Immersive shows at

http://www.myhauntlife.com/los-angeles-haunt-calendar/

If you are visiting LA and don't want to do tourist things, check out

http://www.myhauntlife.com/visit-los-angeles/

Call 515-HAUNTLA if you want to leave Mike and Russell creepy messages

It's impossible to describe Phil America's work, and that fact is very important to him. Our host Jacob Patterson and Phil are from the same working man's town in NorCal, and they relate on many topics. Because of that, this podcast gets deeper than any we've done so far. Discussing what it means to be an American and an artist at the same time is what we are all doing nowadays, but it's something over which Phil has been obsessing for years. And that obsession expresses itself in many ways, oftentimes illegally.

0:00 - Intro

6:02 - What do you do?

6:19 - Not being exclusively stuck in a box

6:50 - Are you still a graffiti artist? When did you start?

7:32 - What were the first trashiest tags you were putting together? Did you use pens or spray cans?

9:02 - Was this the first art you did period?

9:14 - Art VS. Vandalism

12:02 - Phil explains what his favorite type of art is

14:02 - Social media echo chamber

14:42 - Do you consider yourself on the other side of people who are putting up gang graffiti?

16:02 - Calling social media activism when it really doesn't do much

16:42 - At what point after 13-14 years old did you start writing things on the walls that you wanted people to see (with a social agenda)?

18:32 - You started sharing photography and publishing books; when did that start and what was the thought process behind it?

19:42 - Learn more about who Jean- Michel Basquiat is at

http://basquiat.com

21:02 - Street art and the media are two different worlds. Do you think there are more areas now where these two worlds combine?

22:22 - "Graffiti is the only art form that was created by the youth."

23:16 - What came next for you after tagging?

23:42 - Phil gets into detail of who graffiti train painters are and what they do

25:47 - When did you find your interest in graffiti train painters?

26:19 - Were you in a crew In Sacramento?

26:32 - When did you take the step of being an artist instead of just painting trains?

28:22 - https://streetartnews.net/tag/montana-gallery

http://www.crewest.com

28:52 - How Phil realized he was more than just a Graffiti artist and a photographer

29:24 - Why did you choose to go to Europe?

29:32 - Phil's published books

http://philamerica.com/published-work/

29:55 - Phil goes into detail about realizing he does not want to restrict himself to only photography

31:18 - Is your graffiti work documented somewhere?

33:07 - You say that these graffiti artists don't care about anything other than getting their respect at the same time you personally don't care if you suck or if you are good— you care a lot about the culture and getting in there to document them. When did this shift change from you painting to caring more about the culture?

35:07 - Where did you go to prison and for what?

36:32 - People viewing you through a lens of being straight white male

37:44 - An Interpol notice is an international alert circulated by Interpol to communicate information about crimes, criminals and threats from police in a member state (or an authorized international entity) to their counterparts around the world.

39:32 - Principle and conviction

39:52 - Did you make work in prison, if so what kind?

40:42 - Project in Thailand white ambition

http://publicdelivery.org/white-ambition/

41:42 - The caste system in India is a system of social stratification which has pre-modern origins, was transformed by the British Raj, and is today the basis of reservation in India. It consists of two different concepts, varna and jāti, which may be regarded as different levels of analysis of this system.

44:22 - Project in Thailand

http://publicdelivery.org/slum-vacation/

45:12 - What was the first thing you did when you were in Bangkok since you didn't take your camera?

46:29 - Phil touches on how he got in touch with the mafia in Thailand

48:00 - In Thailand the Thai people look down upon the slum people. Phil managed to find away that connects the both of these worlds. He placed both sides together in hopes of sparking conversations between the two in which he succeeded. His only hope is that this will lead somewhere in the future.

49:22 - Do you think there was some sort of difficulty while trying to express this project truthfully since you are a white american?

51:00 - Phil questions why it was okay for him to go to a higher part of the town but not the slum part of town

52:22 - "The language of art"

http://tedxsacramento.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucv6PJPIyB8

54:22 - How shortly after this project did you get arrested over there?

55:02 - What was it like being a white dude and coming out on the newspaper while in jail?

55:53 - How long were you in jail for?

56:53 - Phil explains how going to jail influenced him

59:12 - "If my mom can't understand it get the fuck out of my face!"

01:01:52 - Phil is able to have conversations with people that he sees are voiceless, in a certain realm. He does not make his art work to them, he makes it for them.

http://basquiat.com

https://www.google.com/search?q=jean+michel+basquiat&biw=1040&bih=691&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiC45Wz4v_RAhUXzGMKHcY4BP0Q_AUIBigB

1:03:47 - What was the moment you were like okay i'm going to prison?

1:04:00 - Phil taught at a school in Thailand, and by doing this him and his team helped thousands of people out of poverty.

1:05:42 - Did you get to call anyone from back home to let them know you were getting locked up?

1:09:32 - At what point did you decided to start calling yourself Phil America, how does it make you feel when you are called that?

1:11:42 - Taking American for granted

1:15:12 - Separating and using different names for different creative projects.

1:16:36 - Listen to Shelley's podcast episode #5 and find more of her at

Instagram.com/shelleyhol

1:17:07 - Creating a story for the name you chose

1:19:17 - How have you moved up from each project you've done- from graffiti to photography etc

1:20:32 - Using the best language people will understand to get messages across

1:22:07 - What was the first instillation you did, was it in Europe?

1:22:42 - "Pictures are not worth a thousand words."

1:24:02 - Phil's thoughts on only creating art that is powerful

1:24:32 - Do you have ideas that are aesthetic?

1:28:01 - http://www.artsdistrictneworleans.com

1:29:07 - Where do you draw the line when people are emailing you trying to take advantage of your connections etc?

1:31:42 - Phil gets into depth about how the people he wants to help are the ones who aren't asking for help.

1:33:42 - Jacob and Phil's thoughts on not putting your name on every project you do, or the help you give.

1:35:12 - Shelley Holcomb

http://www.curate.la

instagram.com/curate.la

instagram.com/shelleyhol

1:35:52 - Building relationships with sponsors

1:38:52 - Jacob speaks about how instillation art is important. In today's society people are drawn to art that they can snap a photo of to post on Instagram while tagging their friends which is good exposure for the artist.

1:40:22 - The language of art

1:41:30 - Built to Last by Jim Collins and Jerry I. Porras

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials/dp/0060516402/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486526265&sr=8-1&keywords=built+to+last+book

1:43:42 - Jacob and Phil's thoughts on Millennial's having a complicated relationship with work and the American Dream.

1:44:50 - "Who does the most work, the best work the hardest work and who's the most clever."

1:46:36 - Good is a subjective term hard work is not- to Phil working the hardest does not mean it is the best work but at the end of the day it is something he respects.

1:48:56 - Understanding a process Vs time

1:49:27 - See more of Phil's art instillation of sneakers made into a flag

http://philamerica.com/a-transparent-truth/

1:52:02 - What it means to be an artist and an american at the same time

1:53:22 - Super bowl rant/Tom Brady/Lady Gaga.

1:56:27 - See the trailer for the dance show by Daniella Agami

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbgMSUmv31g

1:58:01 - Jacob gets into detail on a collaborative idea that both him and Phil hope to create. This project will involve sections of the border between Mexico and America; making references to politics. This piece can help for a mediative inspection of those ideas

2:07:22 - Phil speaks about Donald Trumps idea of creating a wall and how it is not something new that does not exist. This wall specific wall already exists and Phil believes people are critical of the idea of walls, not this wall. People are against the idea of keeping people out of somewhere when they are just looking for a better life.

2:08:42 - The American Dream, how it's fallen, the mistaken angle in the belief that we can "Make America Great Again" – case in point, Americana:

"From the mid through late 20th Century, Americana was largely associated with nostalgia for an idealized life in small towns and small cities in America around the turn of the century, from roughly 1880 to the First World War, popularly considered "The Good Old Days".[10] It was believed that much of the structure of 20th Century American life and culture had been cemented in that time and place"

The zeitgeist of the idealized period is captured in the Disneyland-style theme parks' Main Street, U.S.A. section (which was inspired by both Walt Disney's hometown of Marceline, Missouri and Harper Goff's childhood home of Fort Collins, Colorado),[12] as well as the musical and movie The Music Man and Thornton Wilder's stage play Our Town.[10] Especially revered in Americana nostalgia are small town institutions like the barber shop,[13] the drug store/soda fountain and ice cream parlor,[14]

2:10:42 - Your name has defined you and your work; with this crumbling American dream how do you reconcile this

2:13:14 - Phil explains what his idea of the American Dream means, "It's a feelings it's an emotion its something you can't bottle up. America is a place where you are allowed to dream."

2:16:52 - Americans taking what they have for granted

2:21:54 - If the way you are trying to communicate your message makes it so there is no receiver, from that point longer it is no longer a message because it wont get to the receiver.

2:22:59 - Kafka's "Metamorphosis" and the idea of being worthless to even your family if you are unable to do good work – a reflection of American ideals from a German author

2:23:42 - Phil's comments on street art - how putting a label/placing it in a box immediately takes away from what the person is saying from viewing it through a specific lens.

2:27:22 - What are you working on next?

Find more about Phil America at:

http://philamerica.com

https://www.instagram.com/philamerica/

We really want to experiment with the format of this conversational show, and this week our co-host Jacob Patterson sits down for a conversation with two team members. Art Director Dino Nama and Real Talk Research Assistant Madelyn Flores listed a bunch of questions they put together after listening to prior shows and looking over some Think Tank exhibits. Patterson does a hell of a job stumbling through them and only answers like 5% of them in an hour... we also provide a little context for who Think Tank is and where we currently stand in the scheme of things. Enjoy this "behind the scenes" episode and let us know what you think!

0:00- Intro

1:23 - Reflecting on the podcast

2:40 - Jessica Bley

http://instagram.com/Leclaircollection

3:40 - Jacob gets into detail of how he got into the art world

6:15 - Transition to podcast questions

7:27 - When the Think Tank gallery was originally created what was the initial vision for the gallery? has that vision shifted along the way?

7:50 - John kennamann

8:50 - http://breweryartwalk.com

9:20 - https://www.youtube.com/user/swoozie06

11:48 - Adam Bowden: http://instagram.com/adambodenphotography

12:10 - https://www.youtube.com/user/ThinkTankCollective

12:45 - Putting go pros on couches and throwing them off roofs

12:15 - Sarah Penna's Instagram and Twitter @sarah_penna

15:00 - Jacob explains what the Think Tank Gallery has become

15:40 - Where do you guys see the Think Tank Gallery at in 1 or 2 years? Has the gallery had a steady growth or has there been some set backs along the way? If so, how did you guys knock out those set backs?

16:03 - Jacob under threat of being arrested and went to court for an event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiLOKM9IWI

18:25 - Head butting a police captain

21:48 - What is your PR strategy moving forward?

22:50 - Moving out of the current Think Tank Gallery location

23:00 - http://nightonbroadway.la

25:05 - What are you guys defined by?

26:07 - If the Think Tank Gallery has to move locations, what does that mean for you guys?

28:40 - Tune into episode 8 for more on Andrew McGregor and his inspirational missions

www.mightkingdrew.com

29:28 - Looking back at episode 1 with Matt Dorado is it possible to make an event or production too simple? What critical details need to be paid attention to in every podcast?

Matt Dorado: www.thedrunkendevil.com

30:00 - What builds a Think Tank production now?

32:45 - Knowing the basics of what can shut down a production

34:00 - What are the philosophies in your life, do they relate to Andrew McGregor's (episode 8)?

www.mightkingdrew.com

36:08 - The idea of an employer vs an employee

37:42 - How does the gallery balance taking on multiple projects at the same time; do you have any tips for the listeners?

38:45 - Separating what is urgent and what is important

41:46 - "The important things can get done before everyone wakes up or after everyone leaves the office."

44:00 - How have you seen the podcast progress in both technical and artistic terms up to this point?

46:40 - Seth Goden https://twitter.com/ThisIsSethsBlog

http://sethgodin.typepad.com

The Time Ferriss Show Ep #177 with Seth Godin

http://feeds.feedburner.com/thetimferrissshow

49:00 - How have you focused your energy after the presidential election? Do you mix politics with your work at Think Tank Gallery?

50:50 - The Think Tank stepping out and not being afraid to say things that need to be said

54:45 - The desert with Scott Hove and mushroom trips (hear the full story on episode

55:15 - Kiran Gandhi:

http://www.madamegandhi.com/

https://kirangandhi.com

https://twitter.com/madamegandhi

https://www.instagram.com/madamegandhi/

55:26 - In what ways have you as directors had to exhibit improv skills similar to Jackie's from Traphouse?

http://www.traphouse.la

57:30 - Jacobs thoughts on having content before sharing and letting it exemplify what it is you do; not gunning for that big break unless its there.

1:02:11 - Next event at Think Tank Gallery Drinkin' Smokin' & West Coastin' 3/18-4/20 stay updated at http://www.thinktankgallery.org

Where you can find Jacob Patterson:

http://www.jpattersonart.com/thinktankgallerycrap

http://blog.thinktankgallery.org

https://www.instagram.com/jmjpatterson/

Noah started NoPro when he decided that he wanted to find out more about the world of Immersive, and found there was no newsletter to follow. Years later he runs the definitive Guide to Immersive Entertainment in newsletter and deep-dive, long-form podcast format. He also records his show in our studio. We talk about the Ghost Ship fire, the world-changing Tension Experience, the fertile grounds for creation in LA, what Immersive Theatre is and how the term is abused, Think Tank's Trap House show, the paradigm-shifting advancements in VR, and the most important things that have happened in these worlds. If you don't know what Immersive is, you're in for a major lesson on what is in theory the most impacting art form in the world. If you do know what Immersive is, then you know Noah and you're excited to listen to this episode already.

3:51 - Introduction

5:57 - How do you feel about coming off haunt season?

6:41 - Noah's thoughts on soul searching

8:21 - Noah's day job with journalism, art and conflict with politics

8:51 - Jacob and Noah discuss the fire in Oakland

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/12/us/oakland-warehouse-ghost-ship-fire.html?_r=0

11:10 - Patricks thoughts on Facebook arguments

12:51 - Fuck Donald Trump

13:51 - Noah gives his thoughts on the Oakland fire and how it effected the people around him and the art world in general

17:01 - http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/06/oakland-fire-mayor-announces-1-7-million-grant-to-help-artists/

17:36 - Read more about the Arts District development:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-arts-district-megaproject-20161210-story.html

18:51 - Noah discusses how the Los Angeles Arts District is changing and shifting while real artists are being pushed out

21:47 - http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-frank-gehry-project-20161101-story.html

22:41 - Patricks thoughts on the Oakland fire and what he thinks the number one reason DIY spaces get shut down

29:27 - "The problem is there is a lot of people out there with misinformation."

36:18 - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-no-proscenium-podcast/id993356795?mt=2

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

36:51- Bryon Bishop articles

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13664940/the-walking-dead-robert-kirkman-delusion-virtual-reality-series

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/15/13292402/delusion-his-crimson-queen-interactive-play-jon-braver-interview

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/29/13466072/haunted-houses-halloween-immersive-theater-los-angeles

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/15/13294448/future-of-fear-haunted-houses-immersive-horror-halloween

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/30/13115910/tension-experience-ascension-haunted-house-escape-room-maze-bousman

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/22/13364882/escape-rooms-the-basement-trap-house-la-adam-milicevic-interview

37:42 - Noah Nelson breaks down what Immersive theater is

40:46 - http://www.traphouse.la

41:21 - http://sleepnomorenyc.com/#share

http://www.thenshefell.com

http://speakeasysociety.com/the-speakeasy-society

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/88578209-132.html

http://www.capitalwperformance.com

http://www.enterdelusion.com

42:16 - https://medium.com/@noahjnelson

44:31 - Patricks thoughts on Immersive theater

48:51 - Jacob talks about fearing the spotlight

52:49 - http://aureliafriedland.com/

56:01 - https://www.lytro.com

57:33 - Noah explains what the new Cinema camera is, what it can do and how it ties in with VR.

(read more on what a VR is here: http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/v/vr.htm)

1:01:36 - Did you go to the John Wolf abandoned hospital art show?

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Abandoned-Hospital-Transformed-Into-Art-Exhibit--395940561.html

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Abandoned-West-Adams-Hospital-Now-Houses-Fine-Art--395907791.html

1:04:27 - Noah Nelson gives his input on non interactive immersive shows

1:05:47 - The idea of open frame theater

http://www.mikhaeltaragarver.com/theatre

1:06:11 - "Interactive theater does not have to be immersive to be interactive."

1:08:31 - Jacob describes his favorite rooms in John Wolfs abandoned hospital art show

1:09:21 - You say something can be interactive but not immersive; can you give an example of that?

1:09:34 - Annie Lesser: Getting To Know You

https://www.instagram.com/gettingtoknowyoushow/

http://www.hollywoodfringe.org/projects/2241

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/getting-to-know-you-an-interactive-theater-piece#/

1:12:46 - Annie Lesser A(partment) 8

http://www.hollywoodfringe.org/projects/3822

1:14:31 - Noah explains how escape rooms can be immersive

1:18:21 - Patrick, when you were developing this escape room did you feel like you were developing an immersive theater show?

1:18:51 - Patrick explains the Think Tank Galleries escape room in more detail

http://www.traphouse.la

1:25:58 - If you had to go back and change something Patrick, what would you do differently?

1:31:51 - Noah explains what The Delusion is

https://medium.com/no-proscenium/delusion-returns-and-puts-the-bite-back-into-vampires-review-f7604b6f25dc#.y3fnhbmml

1:32:26 - Jacob gets wet off vocabulary

1:37:00 - Andrew McGregor:

http://www.mightykingdrew.com

1:37:29 - https://medium.com/no-proscenium/delusion-returns-and-puts-the-bite-back-into-vampires-review-f7604b6f25dc#.y3fnhbmml

1:37:51 - http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/17/13664940/the-walking-dead-robert-kirkman-delusion-virtual-reality-series

1:39:11 - http://www.enterdelusion.com

1:40:26 - If you had to asses what about Delusion makes it a stand out what would you say?

1:43:30 - What is The Tension Experience?

http://thetensionexperience.com

http://thetensionexperience.com/forums/

1:45:51 - Noah explains what one of the stories for Tension was

1:49:51 - Stripping down in The Tension Experience

1:56:04- Manipulating and brainwashing

2:00:56 - Patrick explains what Darren Lynn did at The Think Tank Gallery

http://www.darrenlynnbousman.com

2:10:26 - Megan Reilly:

https://medium.com/no-proscenium/looking-for-a-game-with-consequences-81b6ebd53f92#.lw17i3wxq

2:12:41 - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/my-haunt-life/id1044021113?mt=2

2:14:16 - "The real currency is the attention the audience gives and if the company feeds it back."

2:16:31 - If a 20 year old high energy individual was hopping in the arena right now, what kind of things would you want to see them do with all that energy?

2:18:24 - What was the first immersive theater show that you ever attended?

http://sleepnomorenyc.com/#share

http://www.thenshefell.com

Did you go to New York specifically to see those shows?

2:22:21 - Where you can find more of Noah Nelson

http://www.noproscenium.com

https://twitter.com/NoProscenium

https://www.facebook.com/noproscenium/?ref=br_rs

Kiran Gandhi has spoken to thousands of people about her particular way of changing the world, and has implemented into her performance art such unusual strategies as dripping menstrual blood while running marathons. We've known each other since before either of us gained audiences so sitting down to talk about how to responsibly reach those audiences while on the mic with them is an introspective affair. She is one of the best musicians we know, one of the smartest people we've met, and one of the most interesting women you could come across. She believes that the Future is Female and we're on board with that idea after this chat. We hope you will be, as well.

3:05 - Is google consciously not that female friendly?

4:55 - Jessica Wethington Mclean:

http://nightonbroadway.la/bio/jessica-wethington-mclean/

http://nightonbroadway.la

5:15 - Kiran's thoughts on stay home dads and taking on roles as a parent

6:15 - Kiran gives a little run down on who she is and what she does

7:10 - http://thieverycorporation.com

7:45 - http://eighteenthstreetlounge.com

10:04 - What was your major in college?

10:55 - Within Kiran's first two months of living in Los Angeles she got a full time job at Interscope as their first ever digital analyst.

11:03 - http://www.interscope.com

14:05 - Did you set out a goal to make a job out of your internship before they gave you an official job?

15:18 - How did you navigate from Interscope to Spotify?

17:00 - Was going to school for your MBA worth it?

17:05 - https://www.spotify.com/us/

18:05 - Speaking confidently and critically has helped Kiran as a consultant and an artist.

18:35 - Did you start your own company?

19:00 - http://www.sfmusictech.com/speakers/

https://kirangandhi.com/2015/11/04/future-of-music-policy-summit-2015/

19:15 - Kiran explains how doing free panels has helped her

21:00 - https://www.spotify.com/us/

21:17 - Streaming services

21:55 - Kiran's business plan and how she thinks artists should be getting paid a bigger percentage

23:09 - The dangers of labels knowing what music is more valuable than others and how that makes artists change their music

24:48 - Kiran explains what "gating content" means.

26:22 - Where do you listen to your music at?

27:55 - Kiran's thoughts on artists putting their own music onto Spotify

30:41 - Are you on Spotify? Who would you imagine seeing next to you as related artists?

31:15 - How did you get involved with MIA?

http://www.miauk.com

32:10 - Sinziana Velicescu:

https://www.instagram.com/casualtimetravel/

http://www.sinzianavelicescu.com

32:31- http://standardvision.com

34:45 - One of the most interesting things about you is that you try to get difficult ideas across to audiences when they may or may not want to hear them; why don't you talk about your band and how you are trying to do that.

36:10 - Runson Willis:

Do you love - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Zj4S9dbQI

36:53 - http://www.madamegandhi.com

38:25 - Madame Gandhi EP

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYXxTNUoIJXFDI3Nv2cIL0ii1lWyZwaq

38:35 - Were you apart of the invention for the phrase "The future is female?"

38:45 - Check out Otherwilds collection here:

http://otherwild.com/collections/by-otherwild

39:45 - You have this idea of the four levers of social change; how did you come up with this metaphor and implement it?

45:15 - Which levers do you think are the most difficult to pull?

47:15 - Where to find Kiran Ghandi:

http://www.madamegandhi.com/

https://kirangandhi.com

https://twitter.com/madamegandhi

https://www.instagram.com/madamegandhi/

Read Kiran's interview with Rolling Stone here:

http://rollingstoneindia.com/madame-gandhi-the-future-is-female/

49:43 - Music begins

Scott Hove is an artist whose primary medium is perspective. He has manipulated his art viewers psychologically and literally for decades, and his work is more poignant than ever. He asked our hosts to sit down and talk as Bay Area natives about what the recent Oakland fire means for DIY, artist-run, and under the radar spaces for creation, and make some plans for the future. This is a heavy episode and one with a lot of potential action on the other end, but also one of our most broad discussions. We hope you enjoy it and contact us if you have any interest in learning more about permitting with us and addressing our community's needs with us.

This episode requires some serious visual context, so check out Scott's work at http://instagram.com/scotthove as we go along.

4:30 - Intro to Scott Hove

6:30 - https://www.facebook.com/heronarts/

Find more details on Scott Hove's upcoming show in San Francisco on January 15th here:

https://www.facebook.com/events/172843589856712/

8:45 - Explain to people who have never seen your work before? What is cake land?

11:00 - http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/

http://www.standardvision.com

12:40 - Patrick, if you were to give a break down on what you see in cake land what would that be?

15:20 - ISIS Cake: http://laluzdejesus.com/littletopia-2015/hove_welcome-home-islamic-state/

17:40 - The Think Tank receiving hate mail from upset people from Scott Hove's unique pieces of art.

18:50 - Patricks thoughts on losing followers from art shows or events.

21:45 - As an artist have you adopted the "can't please everyone mentality," or have you had this mentality since day one?

22:30 - Scott Hove's thoughts on paying attention to pop culture

23:30 - Scott Hove's personal aesthetic

24:50 - Recycling and repurposing old design

25:00 - Dieter Rams:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/06/arts/design/how-dieter-rams-made-braun-an-it-brand.html

https://www.vitsoe.com/gb/about/good-design

26:19 - "Master your instrument, Master the music, and then forget all that bullshit and just play."" - Charlie Parker

26:50 - Salvation Mountain:

http://www.salvationmountain.us

28:24 - How to pronounce Scott Hove

29:31 - Reflecting on Break Bread: http://www.thinktankgallery.org/breakbread/

What do you remember about break bread? What do you look back on fondly?

30:10 - Check out Keith Bakerson's Ice cream truck Installation here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF0Kf-LLF9X/

See more of Keith's work on his Instagram:

@Bakersson

32:15 - http://samwohl.com

34:10 - http://www.standardvision.com

35:10 - The power of an image

35:20 - https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/

35:45 - More about Scott Hove's cake gallery in Oakland

36:49 - What lead you to design your first cake?

39:12 - Scott Hove explains how he was feeling more violent than beautiful and it impacting how he now uses light and dark in his art.

40:55 - Scott Hove gets into the injuries he has witnessed while working on tug boats and how working with tough guys has opened his eyes and balanced him..

45:20 - Barley surviving financially Scott Hove makes the choice to quit his secure job and throw all his energy into his art.

47:00 - Patrick, what was it like for you to quit your job and commit to what you love doing?

49:15 - Patricks thoughts on being committed to change

50:15- Consequences of your decision

52:00 - http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/us/oakland-fire-city-budget-cuts/index.html

52:20 - DIY Art spaces

55:30 - Jacobs thoughts on building safety rules and regulation

56:03 - Patricks experience and the sequence of someone getting a space and not understanding rules and regulations

57:50 - Scott Hove's thoughts on managing an artist space and knowing the rules and regulations

58:30 - Enriching communities with art

1:00:30 - Scott Hove explains how Think Tank has made a program to make it easy for artist run spaces to work with the city to get proper permitting and Jacob explains the thought process behind it in more detail.

1:02:30 - Artist's starting by throwing a party and seeing how they can get away with it before looking into rules and regulations

1:03:40 - Risking safety for art

1:04:30 - Scott Hove's thoughts on how Think Tank is set apart from other spaces because of their knowledge and basic concept of stability plan

1:06:30 - The complications of getting permits and the dedication it takes

1:09:10 - What do you think people need to look into when they first start a venue or pop-up?

1:13:00 - https://www.la2050.org

1:013:30 - How the Think Tank pitched their grant to LA2050

1:15:00 - Artist's sharing information about the rules and regulation going into creating a venue that is safe

1:16:00- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006300/Filth-chaos-weird-religious-symbols-Pictures-appalling-conditions-inside-Oakland-warehouse-36-died.html

1:16:55 - Fuck you Dave Brooks!

1:17:45 - Jesse Damiani:

https://www.facebook.com/jesse.stark.damiani/

1:18:50 - Martin Shkreli:

https://twitter.com/martinshkreli

Vice Documentary: http://documentaryheaven.com/an-interview-with-martin-shkreli/

1:20:34 - Martin Shkreli breakfast club interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNOWSKMS10

1:22:10 - Scott, you have worked and lived in unregulated DIY warehouses/spaces- what were your first ones like?

1:23:30 - Andrew McGregor: http://www.mightykingdrew.com

1:25:10 - The Think Tank exploring the world of expanding to different cities

1:25:40 - How many of these unregulated spaces did you live in?

1:26:10 - Did you have your own gun?

1:26:25 - Scott Hove shooting a refrigerator in the hood

1:27:30 - Artist run spaces in Oakland

1:29:40 - What do we require from law enforcement to make dangerous situations more feasible?

1:30:45 - Patricks thoughts on how the city needs to have resources and or someone with the time to talk about regulations etc.

1:33:55 - http://www.spaceintheraw.com

1:36:30 - DIY spaces being a target in the eyes of LAPD

1:37:00 - Viewpoint from the LAPD's perspective

1:38:00 - Why it is important to go through a permit process when throwing an event/party

1:40:20 - Scott, what do you want to see moving forward in Oakland and here in LA?

1:43:30 - Scotts thoughts on how people and cities need to take responsibility and how artists need to take responsibility for their own safety

1:44:50 - Take an inside look on what Ghost Ship was before the fire:

http://www.oaklandghostship.com

1:46:10 -

http://www.la2050.org

http://www.thepodliving.com

1:46:44 - Looking back at your 20 year old self what advice would you give?

1:47:55 - What were the methods you employed looking back that dispelled the fear of caring what people think?

1:48:30 - Free yourself of what people may think

1:49:00 - Do you feel as if psychedelics and other substances have been important to your growth as an artist and individual?

1:49:30 - Mushrooms helping artists and opening their eyes by stepping outside and connecting to nature

1:51:55 - Are you making some kind of claim or promise to the universe that this is your duty?

1:52:30 - Connecting with the universe and it helping with your goals and statements

1:53:30 - Jacob talks about his shroom trip; his vision of what was possible became greater.

1:54:20 - Scott Hove talks about the terror of mushrooms, how the fear of taking them is a direct reflection from facing the reality of what life really is. He believes it's important to welcome fear by facing their own mortality in a brave way; art being one of them.

1:56:00 - "Give the fear a place to live," and It'll go through you.

1:56:30 - Jacob tells a story about him and Scott in the desert taking shrooms, setting up tents, communicating to the gods, and sitting in bushes.

2:00:30 - "Stop and remember how powerful you are."

2:01:30 - Patrick's thoughts on psychedelic drugs and how he believes it is sacred moment when taking them

2:04:30 - Where you can find Scott Hove:

https://www.instagram.com/scotthove/

http://cakefangs.com

https://www.facebook.com/scott.hove

https://www.facebook.com/The-Art-of-Scott-Hove-223040721087589/

Here is a short list of things that LA Weekly's "Best of LA People" selection Andrew McGregor can call himself: inventor, filmmaker, writer, chessboxing champion, entrepreneur, frequent TEDx speaker, mentor, Highlands games athlete, roboticist, photojournalist, and founder of The Tiziano Project, a not-for-profit that taught journalism to people living in conflict zones and neglected parts of the world with an emphasis on creating jobs through media training. The organization has worked in places such as Rwanda, Somalia, DR Congo, Iraq, Kenyan slums, a California youth prison, Israel, Palestine, and South Central LA. He has been featured in Wired, Newsweek, the Sports Section of The New York Times, and many other outlets. He talks with us about how to do that huge mountain of dope shit without failing miserably over and over.

https://tinyurl.com/RFFLA2016

00:00 - Introduction to Andrew McGregor

6:14 - http://www.mightykingdre w.com

7:30 - Who is Andrew McGregor?

8:20 - http://www.laweekly.com/news/andrew-mcgregor-from-journalism-to-chessboxing-4640242

9:11 - Chess Boxing: Chess boxing is a hybrid fighting sport that combines the two traditional sports, chess and boxing. The competitors fight in alternating rounds of chess and boxing.

9:57 - Give a little back story on how your path brought you here to Los Angeles and Chess Boxing..

13:40 - Do you ever look at these moments in your life and think there is something more like you are a chosen one?

14:10 - Photo journalist James Nachtwey:

http://jamesnachtwey.com

Photos taken live on 9/11

http://time.com/3528699/revisiting-911-unpublished-photos-by-james-nachtwey/

15:01 - How far along the spiritual spectrum do you fall in your beliefs?

15:36 - New age and self justifying without a root

16:50 - How McGregor conducts himself by reducing suffering, increasing joy and creating a benefit during every interaction.

Philosopher Epicurus learn more here:

http://www.epicurus.net

18:41 - Habituation and discipline

19:26 - How do you put yourself in a mental place where you can commit yourself to so many different projects without comprising any of them?

21:30 - How do you stay focused when doing research in a field you've never studied in before?

23:30 - Task based motivation, "If you don't know what you cant do the sky is the limit."

24:20 - Robotics

26:38 - Robot film festival

http://robotfilmfestival.com/partners/

26:47 - http://hivegallery.com

27:20 - More about Andrew McGregors short film:

http://www.notimpossiblenow.com/lives/robots-landmines-rats-and-andrew-mcgregor

27:35- Apopo is an organization that has a vision to solve humanitarian problems with detection rats technology learn more at https://www.apopo.org/en/

30:00 - McGregor's prototype robot:

https://www.americasgreatestmakers.com/video/a-safer-path/

31:00 - Problems and solutions creating this robot

31:50- At what point did you think this fake robot in an imaginary world could actually be real?

32:40 -Robotis artist http://ianingram.org/bio.html

33:30 - Robotic Squirrel:

http://www.ingramclockworks.com/machines/2009_squirrel.html

35:15- "Let's do something awesome with our gifts; desire."

35:41 - What advice would you give those who are intrigued to do something they know nothing about?

38:10 - Do you approach these conversations with your prior accomplishments at hand?

39:00 - Do you think almost being killed has contributed to your outlook and unleashed fearlessness?

40:20 - Being focused and having integrity will allow you to do anything you want

40:40 - Expanding on the times McGregor has almost died.

Does your philosophy help you with approaching women?

42:50 - Patricks thoughts on war, soldiers and how life works.

44:50 - Ted Haler Poem called "first tour" (can not find)

45:40 - https://www.amazon.com/WAR-Sebastian-Junger/dp/0446556246

45:45 - Veterans "thank you for your service."

47:03 - Andrew McGregor's Photo journalism career

47:20 - How did you come across this industry (photojournalism)?

47:30 - Travel photography, moving to different countries and learning new languages.

48:40 - http://framework.latimes.com/2015/03/29/rick-meyer-wins-lifetime-achievement-award/#/0

49:15- How photojournalism ties in with seeking the world

50:15 - Patricks thoughts on making an impact

51:35- At what stage did you decide that your purpose on this world was philanthropic?

52:15 - http://www.mightykingdrew.com/tiziano-project/

54:20 - A bad year in Los Angeles turning into a good summer in Berlin.

54:40 - McGregors thoughts on "do you view yourself as an employee or an employer.."

56:33 - Tell us what the Tiziano project is

learn more about the Tiziano project here: http://tizianoproject.org

58:17- The intimate and beautiful photos McGregor received back after letting a community use his camera.

59:15- Local perspective

1:00:10 - Erik Kim http://erickimphotography.com

1:00:48- You have a belief that every single group of human beings in the history of mankind has a story teller; have you found that to be true?

1:03:25 - How did you get introduced to Tedx- what did you talk about and what was the response?

1:03::48 - http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxUSC-Andrew-McGregor-Citiz-2

More Tedx talks with Andrew McGregor:

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxSantaMonica-Andrew-McGregor;TEDxSantaMonica-2

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxOrlando-Andrew-McGregor-Cit

1:04:20 - Non-profit organization https://www.toastmasters.org

1:05:32 - Was public speaking an intimidating process for you and how did you approach that?

1:06:30 - Remembering the benefits of your public speaking and what is a stake

1:07:10 - Are you afraid of anything?

1:07:45 - You have a very busy lifestyle do you prioritize ensuring that you are able to go out and meet up with friends or call people? How have you nurtured these relationships outside of business?

1:09:33 - "Its up to you to make your own destiny."

1:10:50 - Self analysis and the nature of wealth

1:12:40 - Built to Last by, Jim Collins

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials/dp/0060516402/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481492584&sr=8-1&keywords=book+built+to+last

1:13:57 - What is glory to you? Do you believe hard work to be an ingredient in glory?

1:15:45 - What is your methodology for that?

1:15:58 - The Iceman Wim Hof

Learn more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

1:17:20 - Meditation techniques; breathing and ice baths.

1:18:34 - You like to chase world records; can you tell us which ones you are involved in right now?

1:19:00 - http://marcuskowal.com

http://liamslife.org

1:20:20 - https://www.amazon.com/Blindfold-Chess-Psychology-Techniques-Champions/dp/0786475269/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481493818&sr=1-1&keywords=blindfold+chess

- Timur Gareyev: http://www.blindfoldking.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-XwHOS2xKs

1:23:13 - How Jacob and Patrick met Andrew McGregor

1:23:31 - http://www.thinktankgallery.org/coffeegraph/

Avi Roth: http://www.coffeegraph.com

Interview with coffee bar sculptor Garrett Kovacs:

http://www.thinktankgallery.org/interview-with-coffee-bar-sculptor-garrett-kovacs-la-weekly/

1:25:50- Can you explain to our guests what chess boxing is?

1:29:55 - Patricks thoughts on chess boxing

1:30:20 - http://nightonbroadway.la

1:34:20: - Did you learn to box from George Foreman?

http://www.georgeforeman.com

1:37:00 - Freddie Roach boxing trainer:

https://wildcardboxingstore.com/pages/about-us

1:38:50- The methodology of doing aggressive physical exertion followed by meditation or chess

1:40:25 - Brand X Magazine with Andrew McGregor:

http://www.mcgregorphotos.com/press.php

Last Call with Carson Daly:

https://vimeo.com/14063188

1:42:30 - Chess boxings growth

1:43:57- Chess boxing started as a performance art and is now being labeled as a sport

1:46:40 - Patrick gets into depth on his outside perspective of the vessel McGregor has created by going from a violent environment, to Los Angeles and how he's found a balance.

1:52:00 - Therapy within this sport

1:55:08 - Chess boxing being a transformative experience

1:56:15 - Looking back on all these things you've gone through, if you were to speak to your past-self what lessons would you instill in that conversation?

1:56:59 - What is next for you?

1:58:30 - Where you can find Andrew McGregor:

https://tinyurl.com/RFFLA2016

http://www.mightykingdrew.com

https://www.gofundme.com/2pyx7uk

https://twitter.com/mightykingdrew

https://www.facebook.com/TheAndrewMcGregor