...where complexity can exist without being reduced."

What if AI could generate 77 different versions of one person? Artist Ilit Azoulay did exactly that. Each AI actress performs Mary Stuck at a different age. Each one is different. Each one is real.

Referring to the re-opening of Villa Stuck in Munich and her exhibition "No Single View," Azoulay uses AI as a tool for the first time to explore identity, memory, and the impossibility of knowing anyone completely.

Listen to our episode: Is AI creating reality, or revealing it?

In our conversation, we engage and explore the many aspects of AI and see where it leads us.

"Seeing is forgetting the name of the thing one sees." Robert Irwin spent a lifetime turning this idea into art, stripping away language to make us truly perceive. In this episode, we ask why, in a world of constant naming, that might be the most radical act of all. Prepare to see differently.

„Materials form a language.“ But Adorno reminds us: there’s no such thing as innocent material. Every coffee ground, every scrap of paper carries meaning. In this episode, we explore how artist Francis Offman uses found materials to speak what can’t be represented.

"To shift to a slower gear and tune in to the frequencies of the minor keys." 

– Koyo Kouoh, from her curatorial statement for the 61st Venice Biennale.

In Part 3, we explore the historical and contemporary dimensions of "In Minor Keys". From Giotto's 14th-century Cappella degli Scrovegni to Pierre Huyghe's Liminal at Punta della Dogana, we trace how contemplative, site-specific practice has always demanded slowness. A conversation about finding meaning in Venice's layered past and present.

"To shift to a slower gear and tune in to the frequencies of the minor keys." 

– Koyo Kouoh, from her curatorial statement for the 61st Venice Biennale.

Part 2: Brett Scott, an art consultant for collections in South Africa, joins us from Cape Town to discuss South Africa's withdrawal from Venice, the pressures facing African artists on international platforms, and what Koyo Kouoh's vision for "In Minor Keys" means in the context of artistic censorship and institutional resistance.

"To shift to a slower gear and tune in to the frequencies of the minor keys." 

– Koyo Kouoh, from her curatorial statement for the 61st Venice Biennale.

Part I: Koyo Kouoh's "In Minor Keys" asks the Venice Biennale to shift into a slower gear. But can the art world's biggest spectacle ever truly embrace subtlety? Charlotte and Esenija explore deceleration, spectacle, and the power of quietness in contemporary art.

This is a short intro to the conceptual approach of Art (un)quoted Podcast hosted by Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan.

Spark & Friction

Coming soon. A new podcast exploring the ideas that shape contemporary art hosted by Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga

One quote. Two perspectives. Every two weeks, we dive deep into a single thought-provoking idea.

Art Unquoted launches April 30th.