In this episode, Cameron and Nathan dive into the insights of Jonathan Rauch, a homosexual atheist Jew, who has recently shifted his views on secularism and its impact on society. The discussion touches on Rauch's book Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy, where he argues that Christianity plays a crucial role as a "load-bearing wall" for democracy, emphasizing the need for virtuous living to sustain democratic values.The episode explores how Christians can navigate the tension between political engagement and true discipleship, reflecting on the state of the church today. They also explore the concept of civic theology, discussing the balance between religious conviction and the broader needs of society, including an interesting comparison to the Church of Latter-day Saints’ approach to political engagement.Join the conversation as they reflect on how Christians can better embody the Beatitudes, the fruits of the Spirit, and live out their faith in a politically charged world.