Join host Greg Carlwood of The Higherside Chats podcast as he talks meme magick, Pepe the Frog, and Trump with guest, ATL Carver.

We have spent plenty of time in past episodes exploring the potential influence of both magick and the immortal, archetypal beings it can conjure up. And although many of us can see there's something there, the line between otherworldly influence and potential coincidence often blurs too much to be sure what's what. As much as we might want to see things as black and white- it does seem increasingly obvious that we're living in a world of gray.

So when we hear a story such as The Council of Nine, and realize that in the "oh so strange year of 1947"- prominent, influential members of the upper crust were experiencing ritual contact with beings that claimed to be ancient Egyptian gods, poised to work their will through these elite liaisons- we should probably pay attention. And when someone makes the case that, in the words of today's  guest "We live in a world where a group of internet misfits meme-magicked a celebrity madman into the White House with the help of an ancient Egyptian deity", wee should definitely pay attention.

Today's guest, ATL Carver, is a thoughtful observer of mental phenomena, student of esoteric philosophy and author of the most prominent piece on today's strange subject "The Truth About Pepe the Frog & The Cult of Kek", as well as his first book on the power of personal magic called "You're Imagining Things".

2:37 To unravel the tangled web of totality required for understanding meme-magick's role in the election of Trump, one must start from the beginning by defining exactly what a meme is and how an image can be used to more fully define a truth.

5:15 Diving into the Pepe saga itself, ATL Carver explains the origins of the cartoon, from the artist Matt Furie to 4chan's co-opting and manipulation of the image dating as far back as 2008. They also specifically discuss 4chan's role, including relevant characteristics of the community, the anonymity it offers, the cataloging of posts, and the almighty dubs.

11:20 ATL Carver details how one of the boldest examples of dubs synchronicity relates to Pepe the Frog and the