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“I had a client in the practice that they, well, what they said is, ‘I am disabled because of mental health and PTSD symptoms, and music therapy’s helping me work through many issues very directly in a way that years of talk therapy hasn’t been able to touch.’ For this individual, they had been through years of talk therapy, and for some people, that is very valuable and very helpful, myself included. But like myself, I had to start with music therapy first because it just accesses the brain in a different way. It accesses the body in a different way than just talking.” – Noel Anderson

This week’s guest is the founder of Anderson Music Therapy Services and has been a board-certified music therapist for over fifteen years. Her journey started with a Bachelor of Music in Music Therapy from Immaculata University, followed by a clinical internship at the Kardon Institute for Arts Therapy in Philadelphia. Driven by a desire for growth, she pursued specialized training, earning certification in Neurologic Music Therapy at Colorado State University, certification as a Trauma Professional, and a Master of Music Therapy degree from Temple University. Before founding her practice in Roanoke, Virginia, she developed a school-based music therapy program for individuals of all ages and abilities. Her love of music began early – she’s been performing since the age of ten through voice, guitar, piano, and flute – and her impact extends globally, benefiting communities in Africa and India.

Her name is Noel Anderson and I’ve been looking forward to chatting with her about all the ways we can harness the power of sound to motivate us, to help us heal and to improve our lives. Keep listening because I know you’re going to get some invaluable golden nuggets from this discussion!

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(0:00:00) - The Power of Music Therapy

We start things off with Noel’s early memories of sound, from the tiger song she wrote before she’d even learned to spell to her discovery in college of how music therapy could help others. “I didn’t always have a very easy time identifying my emotions or being able to express my emotions,” she recalls. “I was very shy. So music just was how I would express myself.” She tells us more about the board certification process that becoming a licensed music therapist involves, and about her work helping children in Africa and India. “I spoke of how music works with developmental disabilities and neurologically,” she explains, “and then we were able to work, you know, hands-on with the kids and co-treat with the therapists there and the doctors, and it was a really great experience.”

(0:07:27) - Global Impact of Music Therapy

Our conversation turns to the neurological impact of music, and its ability to influence and even redirect our body states. “It’s one of the few things in the world that activates so many [neurons],” Noel explains. “It exercises the whole brain, and that’s why it can get our attention very easily rather than just speaking alone.” She talks more about how sound can help regulate the nervous system and shares some of her success stories with patients. “We’ve gotten some really,” she says, “it’s not surprising because, you know, we know music therapy works, but some really touching feedback.”

(0:13:51) - Healing Through Music Therapy

As the first half of our discussion comes to a close, Noel tells us about the difference between talk and music therapy, and how it can help create a safe space for confronting trauma and emotional triggers. “Our brains know what to expect,” she tells us, “and that’s comforting. And so because of that, you can work through these challenges like PTSD and anxiety, depression.” We talk about her work with nonverbal patients and music’s power to forge a healing connection. “It was a musical conversation where they could feel like they belonged,” she says, “they could feel heard and listened to, maybe for the first time to truly be in a place where you know they could express themselves.”

Episode Summary

• Noelle’s journey into music therapy and her experiences in Africa and India.
• Music therapy’s impact on neurological functions and emotional regulation.
• How music therapy offers a structured approach for treating anxiety and PTSD.

Tune in for part two of my conversation with Noel as we discuss music’s effect on dopamine, serotonin, and our stress levels, Noel’s work with treating Alzheimer’s, depression, and even using sound to strengthen parent-child bonds, and her advice for finding the right music therapist.

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“I agree that humans will always want to work with humans and that we’re gonna always favor it in a lot of ways, especially because of the spontaneity, the creativity, the vibe. Kids love to use the word vibe, but we want the vibe and AI doesn’t have the vibe. Kids are really good at detecting AI, really good at it…. They pick it out way before their parents. So they’re really tuned into it. So I think that’s what’s going to keep it at bay in terms of being a true creative tool for really a long time.” – Sean Savage

This episode is the second half of my Clubhouse discussion with voice actor and Sound Off Media Company owner Matt Cundill, Home Studio Mastery founder Junaid Ahmed, podcast producer and AR Media host Sean Savage, Spoken Life Media founder and Podcast Hall of Fame Inductee Rob Greenlee, and long-time podcaster and audio technology consultant George Whittam, as we discuss the future of AI, what sets machine and human learning apart, and building your own AI clone.

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(0:00:00) - AI and the Future of Technology

The second half of our conversation begins as we talk about the impact of AI on everything from social media to politics, and what that might mean for its future. “I interviewed David Pogue earlier this year,” George says, “and he’s done a tremendous amount of AI research and experimenting, and he’s like, it hasn’t yet swung an election that we know of, so maybe we shouldn’t be too worried. But it’s just something to think about, and I think about it all the time.” The topic turns to AGI, or Artificial General Intelligence. “That day is coming,” Rob tells us. “I don’t know if it’s five years from now, ten years from now, that it surpasses, you know, the ability to think and process information, um, better than a human, but I think it’s coming and once that happens, it’s going to change everything.”

(0:06:44) - Ethical Implications of AI Use

We talk about the ethics of AI usage, and whether there’s any practical difference between how AI models are trained and how children naturally learn. “Even if your older brother is telling you ‘don’t copy me,’” Junaid notes, “guess what? Your younger siblings are still going to copy them. There’s no lawsuit against that. You know, that’s how human beings are literally taught.” George describes his experience with feeding an AI all his writing content to help it learn his writing style, and we discuss the prospect and legality of such AI ‘clones.’ “If you went and scraped pretty much all the work that you’ve done and voiced,” Matt says, “packaged it up to create an AI model, you then can own the licensing of that AI voice and be paid for it. But if somebody else went and did it, the answer would be no. But, as we’ve discussed, some people are out there doing it and saying ‘tough beans.’”

(0:17:45) - AI Usage and Ethical Concerns

The conversation turns from creating new content with AI to revisiting old content through the lens of machine learning. George talks about old recordings and the potential to restore them and add sound elements that have been completely lost over time. “To what point do we clean them up?” he says. “Because now, with AI, we could now do a second restoration that’s way beyond what we could have done traditionally and make it sound like it was recorded in a studio Should we do that or not?” We talk about which AI tools the panelists have found the most use for in their own workflows, and Junaid shares a story about how AI is changing the way younger people see writing. “The other day,” he says, “I was replying to my wife through a text message and my son is like, ‘Why are you typing like AI?’ Like, what do you mean? Because I’m using commas, punctuation? That’s how I type.”

Episode Summary

• How AI tools like Podium, Minvo, and Opus Clip can be used for managing content.
• The ethical and legal considerations of using AI in publishing, such as consent and copyright.
• AI-driven advances in audio technology and the enduring role of human creativity.

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“With AI coming along, I sort of look at more things being added into the workflow over the last year or so. A lot of it is, like, transcription, but also, ‘how are we gonna title the podcast?’ Show notes being written, I’m a little bit leery of, but it is used to assist in the process to write better show notes. So, I think for a long time, a lot of people have skipped over that, and AI has allowed us to write better show notes. That doesn’t mean copy-and-paste them in because AI is not... AI is, it’s an absolutely horrible writer. And I think one of the things that, I know this will come up in our discussion today, is that when you see AI stuff just being copied and pasted, you know that it has been copied and pasted.” – Matt Cundall

If there’s one topic that has captured the collective psyche over the past few years, it’s AI. But while the topic is fascinating, the uses are endless, and figuring out where it best fits into your work process is another matter entirely. The group I recently assembled on Clubhouse to talk about AI in Podcasting included a lot of veterans in the area of audio, video, and podcasting. They include voice actor and owner of The Sound Off Media Company, Matt Cundill; founder of Home Studio Mastery, Junaid Ahmed; on-air host and technical producer, mastering engineer, and podcast and audiobook post-production professional at AR Media, Sean Savage; founder of Spoken Life Media, LLC and Podcast Hall of Fame Inductee Rob Greenlee; and long-time audio technology consultant and co-host of the Pro Audio Suite Podcast, George Whittam. Each one of them had valuable insights into what tools work best for them and what tools you might want to look into for your own production.

Considering where the industry is heading, it’s probably a good idea to learn as much as you can about all these new and time-saving options. I hope you find this discussion super helpful!

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(0:00:00) - AI Tools in Podcast Creation

Our roundtable discussion starts as Matt introduces himself and discusses some of the strengths and weak spots of AI software, particularly when it comes to making corrections. “These tools,” he says, “have really helped, but I think if you rely on it too much, one of the things that we found out is that you can just waste as much time just by having to make corrections.” Rob joins in and shares his thoughts on the competition between cutting-edge AI startups and the major brands that are now catching up. “Some of the larger platforms,” he says, “are adding greater AI capability to them, and it’s putting a little bit in jeopardy some of the standalone AI kind of services or tools out there.”

(0:11:30) - AI Tools in Podcast Post-Production

Junaid introduces himself as well, and he tells us about some of the latest breakthroughs he’s seen in synthetic AI voices and the business boom for the voiceover artists behind them. “When they introduced the professional voice,” he says, “like, if you go in now, you can actually use some of the celebrity voices for your own stuff as well, and they’re getting paid for you to be using those voices.” Sean joins the discussion to add his experience with how AI has changed his podcasting workflow, particularly editing with AI-generated audio transcripts. “We’re not using the transcriptions to actually do transcriptions,” Sean explains. “But it’s so much easier as opposed to getting somebody to go listen through and go, ‘okay, at this timestamp, at this timestamp, go from here to here.’”

(0:22:12) - Effective Use of AI Tools

George adds his thoughts about AI editing, both its benefits for cleaning up audio and its limitations in video production. “Is the content good?” he says. “Do you want to watch it? Is it compelling? Does it connect? And if the edits are so funky and jumpy and unnatural that it just becomes distracting, then it’s not a good way to go.” He tells us about the difference it’s made for removing awkward pauses, as well as the danger of taking AI edits for granted. “So if the audio is really smooth and natural,” he explains, “then you do kind of tune out. But once you tune in to the jump cuts, you can’t un-see it.”

Episode Summary

• Rob discusses AI tools and techniques in podcasting, their benefits and limitations.
• Junaid talks about StreamYard’s acquisition by Bending Spoons and the rise of AI voiceover.
• Sean and George share their thoughts on balancing automation and human oversight.

Tune in for part two of our Clubhouse chat as we discuss the possibility of Artificial General Intelligence, or “strong” AI, as our panelists share their firsthand experiences with navigating the ethical challenges of AI, and how good punctuation became a red flag for robots.

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“We typically think about music as a listening experience, playing an instrument, dancing. And I think that’s like a narrow view of seeing, of looking at this concept of music. And that was one of the inspirations. What I wanted to do in this book was to show that there’s another way of thinking about music that’s completely different from this, let’s say, three main ways we think about music. So if you step a little bit outside these traditional associations we have with what music is, you can find that, as we talked about, sound can affect plant development, it can influence the growth, the health of the plant. It can alter our sense of taste, enhance or diminish their own flavors. It can impact our moods. It can uplift us, calm us, energize us… and, well, audio branding uses that a lot, because emotions sell at the end of the day.” – Pavle Marinkovic

This episode is the second half of my conversation with writer and audio branding consultant Pavle Marinkovic as we discuss how music can influence our shopping habits, the latest research into sound’s effect on our cellular metabolism, and whether plants prefer Vedic chants or rock music.

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(0:00:00) - The Influence of Music on Plants

As the second half of our discussion starts, Pavle tells us about sound’s effect on plants, including an experiment in India that found plants prefer Vedic chants and classical music over rock. “The plants grew taller,” he explains, “they had bigger flowers, and they had more flowers than the rock condition, and they also saw that the plants were growing towards the speaker.” He talks about the discovery that music can affect the growth of microorganisms such as E. Coli, and the dramatic difference that simply playing the right music made at a waste-treatment plant. “After a year of using this classical music,” Pavle says, “they were able to save ten thousand euros in the cost of transporting this sludge, so they reduced the amount of sludge produced by these sewage treatment plants.”

(0:16:30) - The Power of Sound and Music

We discuss the use of sound in shaping public behavior in recent years, from dispersing riots to chasing away loiterers, and how music can influence our behavior without us even realizing it. “For instance,” Pavle notes, “you can use the tempo of the music to make people either shop more, faster or slower, because they would unconsciously adapt to the sound cues that were at that moment happening.” He tells us why he believes sound is more important than we realize, and the growing research into music’s health benefits. “We think of music as a listening experience,” he observes, “playing an instrument, dancing, and I think that’s like a narrow view of looking at this concept of music.”

(0:24:24) - Exploring Music’s Impact Across Industries

Our conversation closes as Pavle tells us about his latest audio branding projects. “I’m always, always writing about music,” he says, “I’m also consulting on audio branding with people who have some, let’s say, problems with how to strategize about creating a strategy for audio branding.” He shares his latest work in food cycle and agricultural research, and how listeners can get in touch with him.

Episode Summary

• Sound’s impact on everything from plant growth to wastewater treatment.
• The multifaceted impact of sound and music on behavior and even our well-being.
• Pavle’s audio branding and consulting, and some of his upcoming projects.

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“When I started researching how music affected all these different parts of the food life cycle, I stumbled upon research about how it changed our perception of taste, how it can make beer taste more bitter or wine have a more full body. So I said, well, I love chocolate, and I stumbled across a food chocolate factory in the middle of Madrid. And I said, well, let’s try it. If there’s so much research on all these other things, let’s see if there’s also something that can happen with chocolate.” – Pavle Marinkovic

This episode’s guest is a psychologist with a master’s degree in film scoring. He’s worked in a pioneering audio branding firm in Madrid and later in a market research company that used facial recognition software to scan and create emotional maps of different content, including music. Currently, he wears many hats: writer, researcher, audio branding consultant, music teacher, and violinist, and all these facets of sound are deeply intertwined in his daily work.

His name is Pavle Marinkovic, and he’s also the author of Sounds From Farm to Fork (And Back), where he talks about the impact sound and music can have on the food life cycle. I asked him about his research and the details are fascinating. If you’re a farmer, a garden hobbyist, a marketer, a restaurateur, or interested in more effective waste control and recycling, this is a discussion you don’t want to miss! It’s astonishing to realize just how much of a difference sound can make in all these things.

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(0:00:01) - Exploring Music and Audio Branding

Our conversation starts with a look back at Pavle’s early memories of sound, or, in this case, the story his grandmother tells about how he attended his first opera at eight months old, and how he tried to join in with the singers. “That wasn’t acceptable for my grandmother,” he adds, “and so she ended up rushing us out. But she always tells me this story.” He shares his career journey from film scoring to sound research, and a pioneering research project that used facial recognition technology to create emotional maps of people’s reactions to sound. “You could show them a lot of different music pieces,” he recalls, “and then, depending on the reaction, you would say which ones they are more favorable towards, and you could create the building blocks of your sound for that customer.”

(0:14:17) - The Influence of Music on Taste

Pavle tells us about how the pandemic offered a key insight into the hidden power of sound, and about his work with a chocolate company in Madrid that discovered a surprising link between sound pitch and sweetness. “There’s much more than we really know about music,” he says, “and they’re discovering a bunch of stuff all the time, so we need to take it more seriously than it is.” We discuss the impact of sound on consumer behavior, and how it can drive people without them even realizing it. “With fast-paced music, they would drink more frequently,” he explains. “When we played slow music, they would take more time. You would see the glasses full for a longer time.”

(0:26:26) - Enhancing Food With Multi-Sensory Experience

As the first half of our discussion comes to a close, we discuss a collaboration between Oxford professor Charles Spence and celebrity chef Heston Blumenthal on multimodal sound-taste tests, including a seafood dish whose secret ingredient is an iPod. “You could listen to sounds from the sea, from the ocean,” he says, “and all that experience, which was multi-sensory, would enhance this saltiness of this seafood dish that you were presented with.” He tells us about some of the mental and physical health benefits that the use of sound can bring, and one key advantage it has. “You can’t overdose on music, you know,” he explains. “Unlike other drugs, music is not something that can drive you to health issues if you listen to it while you are taking a medication or something.”

Episode Summary

• Pavle’s early memories of sound and his work on Lacoste’s “Timeless” ad campaign.
• His research on the surprising sensory overlap between sound and taste.
• Pavle’s discussion of multi-sensory restaurant meals and sound-based treatments.

Tune in for part two of my conversation with Pavle as we talk about the little-known connection between sound frequencies and plants, how playing the right music saved a sewage treatment plant 10,000 euros a year, and the medical role sound might soon play in treating diabetes.

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“Essentially, what musicians really need to understand is that the power to find success in sync is extremely accessible, and it’s right there in front of them as long as they’re willing to go and get it. There is no gate, right? There’s no gatekeeper. There’s nothing that you have to do or have, and there’s no one you have to know. It’s really just about being willing, and being willing to learn the ropes and do the work. – Nismah Osman

This episode is the second half of my conversation with sync licensing expert and Music Licensing Mastery founder Nismah Osman as we discuss the social media grind indie musicians face these days, her advice for getting into sync licensing, and the hidden power of music in today’s world.

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(0:00:00) - The Future of Music and Technology

Our discussion continues as we talk about how AI is transforming the music industry, and Nismah’s thoughts on whether it can replace sync musicians altogether. “It’s quality over quantity,” she explains. “Sometimes, you know, you can have a hundred really, really not-so-great tracks, and you have a hundred of them, sure, but they may not have the same value as one piece of really high-quality content.” We take a look at some of the other industries that have been shaken up by AI and what it might mean for sound. “It’s nuanced,” she says, “and I think there’s good and bad and everything in between. And it’s going to be something that kind of shows its true colors over time.”

(0:07:39) - Opportunities in Sync Licensing

Nismah tells us about her experience as a musician and gives us an inside look at how social media and streaming platforms have changed the game for indie artists. “When I was on there,” she recalls, “I was witnessing and participating in the sheer amount of effort that musicians are putting into, you know, building these social followings just to try to convert them into streaming numbers.” She talks about how the pandemic transformed online gig work and helped her jump-start her music career, and the opportunities she’s found in writing music for sync licensing. “One of the many things I love about sync is that, really, there’s room for everyone,” she says. “The likelihood is really in your favor that you’re going to be able to find opportunities for whatever kind of music you make.”

(0:14:13) - The Significance of Sound and Music

As our conversation comes to a close, we talk about what it takes as a musician to make the jump into sync licensing, and her practical advice getting started. “The great thing is,” Nismah says, “most of the time, in my experience, you’re not starting from zero. You really do have a lot going for you. You just have to figure out what’s working, lean into those things, and then outsource the rest.” We also discuss the power of sound in today’s world, from lowering stress to building the soundtrack of our lives. “That’s why the music and the audio and the film industry are so huge,” she notes, “and why there’s such a huge demand, because sound and music and audio, it all matters, it all adds to that depth of life that I think everyone is really ultimately searching for, and it’s cool to be a part of that.”

Episode Summary

• Weighing the authentic connection music brings with the convenience of technology.
• The opportunities sync licensing offers musicians and how to get started.
• How sound and music enhance our lives and shape our memories in profound ways.

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“I think people just kind of were, like, ‘Oh, hi,’ you know. They were supportive, they were nice, and, you know, they could tell I was a kid who had no idea what I was doing but was obviously passionate about music. I do remember one guy, though, telling me to make sure I went to college for something other than music and, at the time, I was like, ‘Okay, I’ll consider that.’ But he was really telling me, like, ‘I don’t know if you have what it takes.’ But I didn’t follow his advice. I ended up going to school for music, which I still am trying to figure out was a good or bad decision.” – Nismah Osman

This episode’s guest is a songwriter, producer, vocalist, entrepreneur, feminist, and more. She’s been writing and producing songs for herself and other artists since 2005. She stumbled into the world of selling her music for film and television in 2011 and has since cracked the code on how to fund your passion for music. Her music has been featured in such series as Love is Blind, Dancing with the Stars, and Temptation Island. Some of her other wins include a degree from Berklee, songwriting and production credits on hundreds of songs, and a chance to learn from songwriting legend Kara DioGuardi, and she runs a vacation rental business on the Jersey shore as a side hustle.

Her name is Nismah Osman, and she has a lot to share about how to make a living from making music these days. The industry’s certainly changed from even just five years ago. If you want to hear how Nismah does it, and how she’s helping other artists do the same, keep listening!

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(0:00:00) - Journey From Songwriting to Music Career

We start things off with a look back at Nismah’s early memories of sound, and how a songwriting convention in her small town led to her very first sync licensing gig. “Obviously I was the youngest person in the room,” she recalls, “and I had no idea what I was doing. But I showed up with my little you know CD, you know, demos that I burned the night before.” She tells us about some of the encouragement, and the warnings, she got from older musicians, and a chance meeting at the next year’s convention that, at age thirteen, became her first music deal. “To this day, I get royalty checks for that song,” she says. “So that was like the first taste of like, ‘Okay, I can actually do this.’”

(0:12:18) - Navigating Sync Licensing and Musical Opportunities

Nismah explains what sync licensing means, and the opportunities it presents for musicians. “The very short version of it,” she says, “is the music you hear in TV shows, movies, ads, et cetera. And there’s obviously a whole semi-complicated process for how you go about getting your music in those opportunities and on those platforms.” She talks more about that process and how a newcomer to sync might get started. “You proactively write music for these opportunities,” she tells us, “based on a set of criteria that generally work, and then you submit that music to, in the industry, they’re called music licensing agencies, and then those agencies receive opportunities from music supervisors.”

(0:18:24) - The Role of AI in Music

We discuss AI’s role in creating sync music and Nismah’s thoughts on whether it might someday replace human musicians. “I think, overall,” she says, “there’s a couple different pieces to the conversation. The first is that we’ve been using AI in music forever already.” She tells us how AI fits into her recording and editing routine, and the limitations of purely AI-generated compositions. “I think we’re a long way away from that,” she explains, “and the AI tools we have today, I just don’t think you’re gonna get the same level of context that a real human being can bring to the table.”

Episode Summary

• Nismah’s journey from a high-school talent show to Berklee College of Music.
• The basics of sync licensing and a behind-the-scenes look at TV and film scoring.
• AI’s impact on music production and what it might mean for composers.

Be sure to tune in for part two of my conversation with Nismah as she tells us more about her experience with streaming platforms, how the pandemic opened her eyes to the opportunities that a career in sound can provide, and the first steps she suggests for getting into sync licensing.

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“That’s the big problem. That’s the whole thing. You know, if it’s not done right, then it will definitely not be sustainable, it’ll just end up in some drawer after two weeks. And we’ve seen that a thousand times, how these great sounds are made, and then, after a few months, a week, it’s kind of like what happened? It’s just disappeared.’” – Simon Kringel

This episode is the second half of my conversation with producer, sound designer, and co-founder of the sonic branding agency Unmute as we talk about the things to consider when building a sonic brand, what sets Europe and North America apart when it comes to marketing and brand building, and what new companies can learn from McDonald’s’ twenty-year-long sonic branding success.

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(0:00:00) - Exploring Sonic Branding in UX Design

The second half of our discussion begins with an audio clip of Simon’s work on Clever’s new brand, and he tells us the process behind its success, from incorporating natural elements to what he calls smashable design. “The whole idea of, you know, I call it smashable design,” he explains, “is so you can take things apart and they will still be recognizable on their own.” We talk about his work on brands ranging from streaming interfaces to telephone hold music, and why building an audio brand isn’t necessarily a one-and-done solution. “I think that’s an important point to make,” Simon tells us, “it’s that you cannot create a sonic identity for anybody just as one project.”

(0:19:21) - The Evolution of Sonic Branding

We talk about McDonald’s famous sonic logo, how it’s evolved and become more streamlined over the past two decades, and what we can learn from that process. “What’s amazing,” he says, “is that they’ve used it just consistently for more than twenty years and, of course, they managed to do all these variations and adaptations depending on whatever music is on the ad, but still, the core thing is being used consistently, consistently for so long.” Simon also tells us why, no matter which industry it is, excitement is key to building a successful brand. “You know you need to be excited about the new brand sound you have,” he adds, “otherwise it’s going to be difficult to fight for it.”

(0:24:38) - The Role of Audio in Branding

The conversation wraps up with his firsthand observations of branding differences between European and American markets. “I think what we’ve seen is that in North America,” he explains, “it has definitely been the ad agency who are the kings in this, and everything was, like, evolved around the ad agency and the creative.” We talk about why audio is so easily overlooked and how its subtlety can be an advantage for branding. “When we tell people about it,” he observes, “they’re suddenly like okay, they recognize the sound, but then it’s like, ‘I’ve never thought about it. It was just there.’”

Episode Summary

• Simon’s sound work on Clever and his process for creating modular branding elements.
• How McDonald’s iconic jingle demonstrates the power of consistent branding.
• Branding differences between Europe and North America and how to reach out to Simon.

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“I think we’ve all experienced how sound is kind of a last-minute decision in many creative projects or creative processes... That was actually the whole reason why we formed Unmute, because we thought, ‘Okay, we need to be the adults here and help brands understand the importance of this and the impact it has.’" – Simon Kringel

This episode’s guest is the Sonic Director and co-founder of Unmute. He began his career composing and producing music for bands and artists, and, later on, for TV and advertising. In 2014, he joined Chimney, a global creation agency, and soon became their head of music, working with a wide range of international clients. Recognizing the growing demand for a specialized sound agency, he co-founded Unmute with Daniel Schougaard in 2018, and their company has been on the rise ever since. It’s now collaborating with brands and agencies all across the globe, connecting them with their audience through sound, music, and audible experiences. He’s created award-winning sonic identities for such brands as Novo Nordisk, Carlsberg Group, Bank of Ireland, KONE, Volleyball World, and UCI, and he’s on a mission to make sure that brands are heard, not just seen.

His name is Simon Kringel, and there’s a lot we’ll be covering here, including using sound in product design, sonic branding as a design discipline, and the differences between North American and European branding when it comes to sound. That certainly isn’t all, so if you’re interested in how sound shapes our buying decisions and our user experience, you’ll want to check out this episode.

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(0:00:01) - Evolution of Sound and Branding

Our conversation starts with Simon’s early memories of sound, and how putting on an audio play of his favorite comic books awakened his enthusiasm for audio production. “We kind of played out the characters,” he recalls, “and, you know, with different voices depending on who you were, and we did some Foley and some sound design when a gun was being shot or glass is broken.” He shares his career journey as a musician and sonic branding expert and talks about the leap of faith that led him to Unmute. “I think it’s also just about,” he explains, “have you teamed up with the right people, and are you ready to take a chance and just go for it? I mean, what’s the worst thing that could happen?”

(0:14:11) - Sonic Branding

We discuss the nuts and bolts of brand design, and how a haphazard approach to audio branding can lead to more work down the road. “What we saw,” Simon says, “was that there was no structure in this, so the brands could not, even though they understand what they’re trying to achieve, see how to actually go about it.” He talks about the relationship between imagery and sound, and the process of crafting a sonic brand that works in harmony with the brand identity. “It’s really interesting,” he tells us, “how we can actually take a visual shape, or visual form or visual expression, and turn that into a sound where you intuitively hear the connection. That’s where the magic happens to us.”

(0:23:41) - Sonic Branding in Product Design

Simon tells us more about his recent branding work with the Denmark-based charging company Clever and offers a firsthand example of the creative process. “So they also, of course, wanted to create their own sonic identity,” he explains, “and it’s not just focused on the, on the marketing and the communication, but definitely also a lot of focus on their products.” He tells us about striking the right balance between familiarity and attention-grabbing, and making sure that the audio UX design is pleasing to the ear. As Simon puts it, it’s about “making sure that every time you interact with Clever, as they’re called, you feel at home, and you feel this familiarity and this sense of, you know, you build that sense of trust because it’s recognizable and, most importantly, it fits their brand.”

Episode Summary

• Simon’s journey from comic books to concerts, from musician to sonic branding.
• How a structured approach to audio branding helps create a cohesive experience.
• What sonic branding success stories like Apple can teach us about audio UX.
• Simon’s work on Clever’s sonic logo and the key to audio/visual brand synergy.

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“AI, at least right now, is really adept at iteration, but not so adept at innovation. So I think it’s really good at augmenting the creative process, yeah, inspiring, but not necessarily great at coming up with something with all the nuances that, again, at a subconscious level, we might pick up on.” -- Steve Keller

This episode is the second half of my conversation with audio researcher, creative consultant, and Sonic Strategy Director for SXM Media Steve Keller, as we talk about how algorithmic data is revolutionizing research, how the pandemic changed the way we relate to music and sound, and what we can learn from the movie Top Gun about the relationship between humans and AI.

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(0:00:00) – AI Benefits in Marketing Creativity

Our discussion picks up with a look at Steve’s work with the Journal of Psychology and Marketing and how AI-driven data is transforming the way we gather research data. “We’ve seen some results,” he explains, “where we’ve gotten really close to AI duplicating the results that we would get from a human panel.” We talk about one client’s clever strategy for using AI to decide what not to do, and we discuss what the latest developments in machine learning have in common with audio breakthroughs like vinyl records and MP3 files. “We have ways of researching to get to the answers,” Steve explains, “but you always have to start with the question, and I think sometimes we ask the wrong question.”

(0:09:36) – The Power of Music During the Pandemic

Since it’s been a few years since my last chat with Steve, we talk about how things have changed in the audio industry since the pandemic, and what the lockdown revealed about our relationship with music. “We would use music,” he says, “not just in terms of nostalgia, to remind us of happier times, but that music became this friend, particularly in lockdown, where it could help us experience the melancholy that was there.” Steve talks about the long-term benefits of adopting AI, and what he learned from a test of human vs. AI marketing. “We found that the real value of this,” he says, “was less about, you know, is AI a collaborator or a competitor, and more about how we manage talent in an age of AI.”

(0:21:43) – The Value of Human-AI Collaboration

We continue our talk about his study on our ability to recognize AI. “Folks were really all over the map in the analysis,” Steve explains. “The individual that we were pitching things to, he wanted to guess who the teams were. He got all of them wrong.” We talk about how that study led to a surprising example of an AI prompting humans for output, and he shares what he calls Maverick’s Maxim, named after the famous character from Top Gun. “[Maverick] said ’it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot,’” Steve tells us, “and so I think this speaks to the importance of humans being in the loop.”

Episode Summary

• Steve’s work with AI-driven research and unconventional uses for machine learning.
• How the pandemic, YouTube, and TikTok have changed the shape of music.
• What a human vs computer marketing test revealed about the emerging role of AI.

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