In this episode Hamish and Geraldine examine the strategic thinking behind AUKUS. If China has undertaken the most rapid military expansion of any country since WWII, how does the AUKUS pact factor into Beijing's thinking? And does a plan that ties us more closely to the United States make us more or less safe?

GUESTS:

Zhou Bo – Senior Colonel (Ret.) of China's People's Liberation Army, is Senior Fellow at the Center for International Security and Strategy, Tsinghua University. 

Vice Admiral Mark Hammond - Chief of the Royal Australian Navy.

Hugh Jeffrey - Deputy Secretary Strategy, Policy, and Industry, Department of Defence

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