How does one be a leader? Here’s a better question, how can one be a pastor and a great leader in both the spiritual and secular world? In this episode, Mike O’Connell a keynote speaker, entrepreneur, pastor, husband & father, shares how to find balance between the two.

In today’s day and age, there is an undeniable divide between the Christian world and the secular one. What makes it more difficult for the two world to unite, is the mistaken disagreements for hate. Throughout the episode, Mike and Josh take on this challenge while discussing their faiths, not pushing their beliefs onto others and how God has impacted their lives.

Whether you’re a Christian or not, you’re in for a treat.

Here are the timestamps……

• 0:00 Intro
• 0:47 Mike's football career
• 13:51 The beauty of perseverance
• 20:26 How to be a better leader
• 30:07 The pressure of being a Christian
• 36:00 Coaching & speaking in secular companies as a pastor
• 39:43 Great leaders are imperfect

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