"I have always felt and still feel that everything designed in the world, built environments, systems, bureaucracies, schools, institutions, everything…the first thing you have to plan for is joy. To make it functional, even", says Heather Myers. Heather joins this episode to discuss modern utopias,  translating autistic experiences and demystifying them for neurotypical audiences, and her experience as a journalist. To learn more about Heather visit https://www.fantastically-human.com .

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