ERK welcomes singer-songwriter, AVA MAX (50:06), fresh off the release of her newest album DIAMONDS & DANCEFLOORS. They chat about NYFW, Ava’s rebellious side, the SWEET BUT PSYCHO scream, working with CIRKUT who produced songs for some of Ava’s own pop idols (BRITNEY SPEARS included), and more. To kick us off, ERK and Sean deep dive on ARIANA DEBOSE’s BAFTA performance (00:00) and its cultural aftermath: the speed of its virality, the internet’s shift in tone, those who ignited it, and those who killed it (for now). You could call it an oral history…but they’ll let you decide.

Host: Evan Ross Katz

Co-host: Sean Ross

Editor: Sophia Asmuth

Show links: Evan Ross Katz on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/evanrosskatz/

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