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A last-minute writing invite, a young artist with star power, and a chorus that had to carry the whole story—Ava Sapelsa walks us through how a room with Jamie Kenny, Trent Dabbs, and Max McNown turned into a multi-format hit climbing hot AC, pop, and country radio while living on the Billboard charts for months. We trace the journey from poetic verses to a clear “brown eyes” hook, why the melody stretches across male and female ranges, and how a strong chorus can translate from TikTok buzz to radio momentum without losing its heart.
From there, we rewind to Evanston and Montana, where cover sets and country storytelling shaped Ava’s instincts, then fast-forward to Nashville writers’ rounds as a crash course in modern songcraft. Ava shares the strategies behind “Salt, Lime & Tequila,” a Zoom-era co-write with Ryan Griffin and Jason Massey that snowballed from a rough title to SiriusXM The Highway’s most-played song, and how TikTok, smart pitching, and timing opened the door to radio. We also break down her outside cut with Carly Pearce on Hummingbird, proving how a clean concept and an honest lyric can move from demo to record in a week when everything aligns.
Beyond charts and cuts, Ava brings purpose to Music City through Hope on the Row, a nonprofit serving unhoused neighbors with food, supplies, and pathways to stability—powered by volunteers from across the music industry. It’s a reminder that enduring careers are built on craft, community, and consistency. If you’re chasing better choruses, clearer concepts, or a stronger network, you’ll find practical takeaways and candid stories you can use on your next write.
Enjoy the episode, then subscribe, share with a songwriter friend, and leave a review so more music lovers can find these stories.
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A last-minute writing invite, a young artist with star power, and a chorus that had to carry the whole story—Ava Sapelsa walks us through how a room with Jamie Kenny, Trent Dabbs, and Max McNown turned into a multi-format hit climbing hot AC, pop, and country radio while living on the Billboard charts for months. We trace the journey from poetic verses to a clear “brown eyes” hook, why the melody stretches across male and female ranges, and how a strong chorus can translate from TikTok buzz to radio momentum without losing its heart.
From there, we rewind to Evanston and Montana, where cover sets and country storytelling shaped Ava’s instincts, then fast-forward to Nashville writers’ rounds as a crash course in modern songcraft. Ava shares the strategies behind “Salt, Lime & Tequila,” a Zoom-era co-write with Ryan Griffin and Jason Massey that snowballed from a rough title to SiriusXM The Highway’s most-played song, and how TikTok, smart pitching, and timing opened the door to radio. We also break down her outside cut with Carly Pearce on Hummingbird, proving how a clean concept and an honest lyric can move from demo to record in a week when everything aligns.
Beyond charts and cuts, Ava brings purpose to Music City through Hope on the Row, a nonprofit serving unhoused neighbors with food, supplies, and pathways to stability—powered by volunteers from across the music industry. It’s a reminder that enduring careers are built on craft, community, and consistency. If you’re chasing better choruses, clearer concepts, or a stronger network, you’ll find practical takeaways and candid stories you can use on your next write.
Enjoy the episode, then subscribe, share with a songwriter friend, and leave a review so more music lovers can find these stories.

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