“So, this David Grusch guy is basing his entire claim on conversations that he had,” not “actual evidence,” AND “I just want to see the data, and Grusch is just another story.”- Avi Loeb (Oct 2023 Washington Post)

Patrick also discusses Professor Loeb's most recent discussion with a former Lockheed Martin Official who reacted in a way he wasn't expecting after he asked the former high ranking official about companies like Lockheed Martin housing crashed ET craft. The official stated..."It may not be wrong."

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