This week we check in from CAA 2020 in Chicago and is always at this conference we are discussing the MFA and what it does for you and me and all of us. To help us understand the recent evolution of these degrees we are joined by Ellen Mueller of the Minneapolis College of Art and Design, MK Guth of the Pacific Northwest College of Art, Lisa Iglesias of the University of Florida Gainesville, and Paul Catanese of Columbia College Chicago (yes, that is where Duncan works also.)