Angelique de Kock and Chantal Karyta dive into the heated ethics of using e-collars to stop dogs from chasing. This episode unpacks a controversial 2024 study that claimed shock collars were more effective than treat-based methods and the fierce critique it triggered.You’ll Learn:

• Why critics say the study wasn’t a fair comparison

• What actually counts as “positive reinforcement”

• How welfare needs to be meaningfully measured and not assumed

• What better recall training looks like in real life

• Why your values and long-term goals matter more than speed

  
  

Topics:00:00 – Introduction to the E-Collar Debate
02:36 – Understanding the Study's Findings
05:32 – Critiques of the Study's Methodology
08:29 – Welfare Considerations in Dog Training
11:00 – How the Training Could’ve Been Done Better
14:03 – Long-Term Goals and Ethical ReflectionsResources & Mentions:

• Johnson & Wynne (2024) study on chase behaviour

• Rebuttal 1 from positive reinforcement advocates

  Rebuttal 2 from positive reinforcement advocates

• Response to the rebuttals

• Barkology Episode 1 (for study context)

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Can you stop a dog from chasing—cars, wildlife, livestock—without using a shock collar?

In 2024, an infamous study by Johnson & Wynne claimed e-collars were more effective than food-based methods for stopping chase behaviour in dogs. And it’s been making waves across the dog training world.

In this episode of Barkology, co-hosts Chantal Karyta and Angelique De Kock dive into the details. As trainers who don’t use shock collars, we believe it’s essential to examine the science so we can advocate for dogs with clarity and compassion.

We explore:

• How the study was designed and what they wanted to test

• The three training groups (shock collar, food + fast lure, food + gradual lure)

• What the results showed and what they didn’t

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⚠️ Disclaimer: This episode contains discussions about dog bites, including injury, behaviour assessments, and legal outcomes. Listener discretion is advised.

In this episode, Chantal and Angelique talk to behaviourist and expert witness Daniel Shaw about one of the most complex and sensitive topics in the dog training world — dog bites.

We explore the contexts in which bites most commonly occur, the early behavioural signs that are often missed, and how fear, pain, or predatory instincts might all influence a dog’s response. Daniel also shares his experiences working on legal cases involving bite incidents and reflects on the challenges of the Dangerous Dogs Act, as well as what needs to change to ensure fairness and welfare for dogs.

Together, we ask:

• Can some bites be prevented with better education and awareness?
• Why bites happen and which underlying causes need to be addressed.
• What reforms are needed in how dog bite cases are handled?

In this episode, Chantal and Angelique sit down with Dr. Amy Cook, creator of The Play Way—a therapeutic approach that utilizes social, toy-free play to help shy and fearful dogs build confidence, reduce reactivity, and foster trust.

We explore:

• The Science Behind Social Play: How interactive play can serve as a powerful tool in behavior modification, especially for dogs experiencing fear and anxiety. ​

• Applicability to Behavior Issues: Identifying which behavioral challenges benefit most from The Play Way and understanding its limitations.​

• Initiating Play: Techniques to respectfully invite play, ensuring the dog feels safe and in control.​

• Elements of Therapeutic Play: Breaking down the components that make play a successful intervention.​

• Tailoring Play to Individual Dogs: Adjusting play styles to suit high-energy breeds versus more reserved dogs, and strategies for engaging dogs unfamiliar with play, such as rescues.​

• Common Mistakes and Assessing Readiness: Recognizing pitfalls in implementing The Play Way and determining when a dog is prepared to engage, particularly if they're fearful or shut down.​

Dr. Cook also shares her perspective on misconceptions in dog behavior and provides information on accessing her Play Way course or other online Fenzi courses for those interested in learning more.

Does your dog explode off the start line in agility? Bark non-stop when waiting for their turn? Struggle to stay focused in high-energy environments? In this episode, Angelique from Treat to Train and Chantal from CK9 Training, break down the power of pattern games—a simple yet effective way to help your dog stay engaged, regulated, and ready to perform.

We’ll explore how these structured games can improve impulse control, reduce frustration, and build confidence, whether you're training for agility, working on reactivity, or just aiming for calmer walks.

Your mindset plays a huge role in your dog’s agility performance!

In this episode, Angelique from Treat to Train and Chantal from CK9 Training break down how your energy, confidence, and mental game impact your dog in the ring. Learn how to handle ring nerves, use visualization techniques, and develop resilience to perform at your best.

Tune in for practical tips to strengthen your mental game and help your dog thrive on the course!

This week, Chantal and Angelique are joined by the amazing Gemma—owner of All About the Dog Academy Ltd and the founder of the Dynamic Dog Practitioner Program.

Gemma is an ISCP Canine Behaviour Practitioner (ISCP Dip.Canine.Prac), a Canine Myofunction & Rehabilitation Therapist (OCN London Dip.CMRT), and has certifications in a range of holistic techniques.

In this episode of the Barkology Podcast, Chantal and Angelique dive into the fascinating world of contrafreeloading—a behavioral phenomenon where animals choose to work for food even when identical, freely available food is present.

Drawing insights from the research, we explore:

- The surprising findings from research on contrafreeloading in dogs.

- How factors like stimulus changes and environment influence dogs’ preferences.

- Why some dogs engage with puzzle feeders while others go straight for the free meal.

- Practical ways to use this knowledge to improve your dog’s mental stimulation and well-being.

References:

Rothkoff, L., Feng, L., & Byosiere, S. E. (2024). Domestic pet dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) do not show a preference to contrafreeload, but are willing. Scientific Reports, 14(1), 1314.

Osborne, S. R. (1977). The free food (contrafreeloading) phenomenon: A review and analysis. Animal Learning & Behavior, 5(3), 221-235.

In this episode, Chantal and Angelique chat to the amazing Chirag Patel.

Chirag Patel runs Domesticated Manners and first started by helping dogs and their people in 2004 but has since evolved to now offering assistance to both domestic and wild animals in a wide range of setting internationally. This includes a range of pets in the home, laboratories, zoos, organisations such as The Police, Dogs Trust, Guide Dogs for the Blind Association, British Columbia SPCA and Kong amongst others.  Domesticated Manners has its home base in the London / Essex border although he has consulted with clients and taught workshop/ seminars all over UK, Europe, USA, Canada, Australia, Mexico and in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Chirag has also started DogStoryTV where he shares free tips, tricks and stories to better your bond with your dog.

Join us as we explore how P.A.W.S. empowers you to tackle behavioral challenges holistically, enhancing your bond with your dog and fostering lasting positive change.