Bear Academy Season 4. Lee Young spent nearly 20 years as a designer, most recently as Product Design Director at Xero in Auckland, where he and Bear were colleagues. Then he left, retrained, and became a creative arts therapist.
He now works at two ends of life: neurodivergent children at Rainbow House, and hospice patients nearing the end at Dove Hospice, while running his own private therapy practice.
In this conversation we discuss why his 20-year detour through web design, e-commerce, product design, and design leadership was not wasted but necessary. We talk about the illusion of corporate job security, why "design is creating for others and art is creating for yourself", the relationship between creativity and play, and practical ways to find presence in a distracted world. Lee also shares stories from his practice: the woman who spent an hour filling a page with yellow pastel, the six-year-old who released his anger by throwing clay at a tree, and his involvement in New Zealand's first psilocybin-assisted therapy programme.
Chapters
00:00 Intro: Lee made a choice most of us think about but rarely make
00:52 Monday mornings now vs as a designer
01:12 The 20-year detour: web design to product to leadership to coaching to art therapy
03:00 Was the career counsellor's advice a wrong turn?
04:30 Trust your gut at each stage
05:20 What transferred: Double Diamond and the coaching process
07:30 Freelancer skills that most therapists do not have
08:20 Corporate salary as a runway for career change
09:50 The first weeks after leaving: freedom or void?
11:20 Golden cage: high salary makes it hard to leave
14:00 The illusion of corporate job security
15:50 Freelancing gives you more transparency and control
17:00 Creativity in corporate vs agency vs independent work
18:30 "Design is creating for others. Art is creating for yourself."
20:00 Creativity and play share the same root
22:00 Xero Design Jam: the most fun project was in month one
23:00 What is art therapy? Using things other than words
26:00 Pastels, clay, twigs, drama, dance: all languages
27:30 An art therapist is a guide, not a fixer
28:30 The woman who filled a page with yellow pastel for an hour
30:30 The six-year-old throwing clay at a tree
33:00 Measuring impact: why CBT gets funded and art therapy struggles
36:00 How therapists maintain their own wellbeing
38:00 Systemic challenges for neurodivergent children
41:00 Working with adults vs children: adults have more wiggle room
42:00 Hospice work: a privilege and an honour
44:00 Presence is a rare commodity
46:00 Anxiety lives in the past and future; presence anchors you
48:00 Neurographic drawing: a 5 to 10 minute stress release
50:00 The simplest reset: face the sun, close your eyes, two minutes
51:00 Mini nature therapy: prioritise touch, sound, smell over sight
53:00 What's next: peer supervision training and psilocybin-assisted therapy
55:00 Dr Fee Caracott and NZ's first psilocybin prescriptions
56:00 Possibly returning to Whitecliffe as a guest lecturer
57:00 "Enjoying beginner's mind, not rushing to the next step"
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