The upEND Podcast

Becoming Internationalists (with Nadia Ben-Youssef and Tarek Ismail)


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In the first episode of Season 2, we discuss how the movement to abolish family policing is intrinsically linked to struggles for freedom in Palestine and Sudan. Solidarity unites us and makes our movements stronger. 

Harm is exported and imported around the world. Tactics of family separation in the U.S. through the child welfare system mirror state violence in other countries. Our guests make these connections and invite us all to become internationalists. 


Episode Guests:

Nadia Ben-Youssef is the granddaughter of artists, refugees, and revolutionaries. A human rights lawyer by training, Nadia currently serves as the Advocacy Director at the Center for Constitutional Rights, a radical legal and advocacy organization working with social movements to dismantle racism, cisheteropatriarchy, economic oppression and abusive state practices. Central to Nadia's lifework is a commitment to the liberation of Palestine, and she is a proud co-founder of the Adalah Justice Project. 

Tarek Ismail is an Associate Professor at CUNY Law School, where he co-directs the Family Law Practice Clinic and Family Defense Practicum. He is also counsel to CUNY Law's Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility (CLEAR) project.


Episode Notes:

  • Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate
  • Tarek mentions Noura Erakat’s book Justice for Some.
  • Follow the Center for Constitutional Rights (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter) and @nadiaby on Twitter. 
  • Follow CUNY Law School at @CUNYLaw and @tarekzismail on Twitter.

  • Credits: 

    • Hosted by Josie Pickens and Jaison Oliver
    • Produced by Sydnie Mares
    • Mixed by Luke Brawner

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