we really ramble on this episode. more tangents than a game of pick up sticks.

muzz tells boring holiday stories and ravi listens. you can too.

looking back we've had a great year, but what's next?

oh and we had an article published in the Tawny Frogmouth magazine too.

we meander down a path of discussions about surgery, health, goal setting and life.

this episode leads us down a path of the fears we have of dying early and at the same time we also believe we're going to live for a very long time.

theres a lot of chat about how to make friends, what kind of friend are you and such things. we also mention seinfeld alot (maybe more than we should).

spoiler alert: we love them.

what happens when your child turns 21.

well it turns out you become the kid again..right?

ps thanks to our sponsors:

Finisi

Hatfield family trust trading as prohort horticulture

lessons learnt at the kids concerts

sometimes you just need to lock in.