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EP 55 - Underwood And Kidd

10.12.2021

In today’s episode, Skye and Anthony detail the lives and (many) crimes of a woman whose previous experience with guns made her a little bit “gun-shy” #2326 Dollie Underwood (Robbery) and a four-timer who may have been innocent of his ...

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10.12.2021 EP 55 - Underwood And Kidd In today’s episode, Skye and Anthony detail the lives and (many) crimes of a woman whose previous experience with guns made her a little bit “gun-shy” #2326 Dollie Underwood (Robbery) and a four-timer who may have been innocent of his ...
10.09.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden Jay Christensen In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony interviews recently retired Warden Jay Christensen who reflects on his career and discusses the transformations he has witnessed over the last three decades within the Idaho Department of Corrections.
10.02.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Ian Pickens On Frank Lobear In this episode, Old Pen technical records specialist Ian Pickens shares the story of Frank Lobear #5319 (Manslaughter) who attempted to defend his own honor and after his incarceration became a local legend of the Frank Church Wilderness.
09.28.2021 EP 54 - LIVE! Ensley And Reynolds And Hopper In this LIVE! episode from the Storyfort Stage at the Treefort 2021 music festival, Anthony and Skye regale the audience (both live and digital) with the stories of two musical men who shared their skills while incarcerated at the prison, ...
09.21.2021 EP 53 - Hazeltine And Feely And Moore In this episode, Skye and Anthony tell the stories of a woman whose feminine wiles got her in trouble more than once #5952 Alta Hazeltine (Attempted Robbery) and the devastatingly dastardly duo who embark on committing life insurance fraud #9931 ...
09.14.2021 EP 52 - LIVE Swatsenbarg And Deaton In our first LIVE! episode Skye was able to participate in, Anthony and Skye regale the audience (both live and digital) with the stories of a man whose life and crime has everything—including divorce and donuts #7241/#7690/#8376 Delmar Theodore Swatsenbarg ...
09.07.2021 EP 51 - Lopez And St. Cyr In this episode, Skye and Anthony chat about a woman who was one of three Native American women who entered the Idaho State Penitentiary for Forgery on the same day #11235 Claire Johnson Lopez and a nineteenth-century Forrest Gump (allegedly!) ...
08.31.2021 EP 50 - Clark And Ross In the first episode of the sixth season, Anthony and Skye discuss a man whose experience in Siberia with a spoon is only scratching the surface of his troubled life, #11226/#12337 Dennis Guy Clark (First Degree Burglary/Second Degree Kidnapping) and ...
07.02.2021 Season 6 Teaser We're working hard to bring you a brand new season! Check out our new logo and pick up some merch at the Old Pen! We have t-shirts and stickers available! We recorded a live episode at the Old Pen on ...
05.15.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - The Warden's Son With Bette Joe And Roch Clapp In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with Bette Joe and Roch, the wife and son of the late Jerry Clapp. Jerry was a boy when his father, Lou Clapp, became Warden of the Idaho State Penitentiary in 1945, ...
05.08.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - John Dinger In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony discuss the eventful 1887 term of court in territorial Idaho with returning guest John Dinger, Ada County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney. The term included everything from citizenship and guardianship to murder.
05.04.2021 EP 49 - Seward And Shreve In the last episode of the season, things get a little dark as Anthony and Skye review the stories of a young man whose desperate attempts for love led to multiple deaths #1511 Fred Seward (Murder in the 1st Degree) ...
05.01.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Steven Branting On Margaret Hardy In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview acclaimed historian Steven Branting, who shares his research on Margaret Hardy and his process uncovering stories following the many threads that make up our history. Pick up a copy of Wicked ...
04.27.2021 EP 48 - Anna And Richard Woodfine In this season’s couple’s episode, Skye and Anthony discuss a pair of immigrants (one Swedish, one Canadian) who may have set fire to their house in a town only recently traumatized by one of the worst fires in the nation’s ...
04.20.2021 EP 47 - Eliason And Gillespie In this episode, Skye and Anthony have some conversations about a woman who gets a bit caught up with a husband (and maybe a wife) #6483 Leora Eliason (Adultery) and a man whose sexuality landed him in jail #2911 E.E. ...
04.17.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Don Mummert In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony celebrate National Volunteer Appreciation Month and sit down with the longest serving volunteer at the Old Idaho Penitentiary, Don Mummert. Don has spent over 20 years giving tours and working as a ...
04.13.2021 EP 46 - Maxwell And Brezicky In this episode, Anthony takes a bit of a divergence from normal, covering Mark Maxwell and his prolific administrative career at the Idaho State Penitentiary and Skye sticks to the script, profiling a woman who didn’t quite know how to ...
04.10.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Randy Martinez In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony talks to retired Deputy United States Marshal and Investigator Randy Martinez who shares stories about his career and compares it to the subject of this week's episode, Charles Phelps.
04.06.2021 EP 45 - Hall And Phelps On this episode, Skye and Anthony examine national alcohol bans with Prohibition violator #4693 Helen Hall (Giving Intoxicating Liquor to a Minor) and a Deputy U.S. Marshall who defied laws he was supposed to enforce not once, but two times ...
03.23.2021 EP 44 - Golden And Hester On this episode, Anthony and Skye dish the details of a police officer gone rogue whose crime is a real-life murder mystery #7070 Ralph Golden (Murder in the First Degree) and a woman who was charged with assault with nearly ...
03.20.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Hayley Noble on Henry Wasielewski In this week's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye sit down with Hayley Noble to discuss #6153 Henry Wasielewski (Robbery) who enlisted in the Polish forces in Canada during WWII after a brief incarceration in Idaho.
03.16.2021 EP 43 - Webb And McBride Skye and Anthony have an interesting conversation about a woman who may have had an unfortunate sip of Coca-Cola #7769 Frances Webb (Forgery), and a serial offender who decided to take his fate into his own hands in a tragic ...
03.13.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - HannaLore Hein on the 1918 Influenza Pandemic In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye interview Idaho State Historian HannaLore Hein who discusses Idaho's Response to the 1918 Influenza Pandemic and shares a message of hope and the importance of having historians at the table during trying ...
03.09.2021 EP 42 - Barnes And Brooks Anthony and Skye discuss a man who had title of “Whip Maker to Her Majesty” (Queen Victoria of England), but who was lucky to get away from his crime with his life #6 Frank Barnes (Murder in the Second Degree) ...
03.02.2021 EP 41 - LIVE Christopher And Carringer In this first LIVE episode in collaboration with Storyfort, Anthony teams up with Historic Sites Administrator Amber Beierle to chat about a woman with skills writing bad checks and heartfelt lines #10595 Nancy Frances Christopher (Forgery and Escape) and master ...
02.23.2021 EP 40 - Andrews And Mahaffey In this episode, Skye and Anthony chat about a young woman with an unfortunate man and health problem #5788 Helen Grace Andrews (Forgery) and a man who led an uprising that we didn’t get to talk about in the last ...
02.20.2021 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Judy Buck On Hattie McCormick On this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview Judy Louise Buck, the granddaughter of #1537 Hattie McCormick, who sheds some light on Hattie's life outside of prison.
02.16.2021 EP 39 - Martin And McCormick On the first episode of Season 5, Anthony and Skye are sure glad to be back, and talk about a man whose escape nearly resulted in someone else’s death #11628 Peter Martin (Robbery and Escape), and a woman whose desire ...
12.22.2020 Season 5 Teaser We're working hard to bring a brand new season of prisoner stories to you in 2021! If you have a story, share it with us at [email protected] Looking for a great holiday gift? Come visit the Old Pen Gift Shop ...
11.14.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - 1980 Riot Calvin May In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer Calvin May who started working for the Idaho Department of Corrections months before he was held hostage during a riot at the new prison in July ...
11.10.2020 EP 38 - 1973 Riot "Down In Flames" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the chaotic 1970s and the final uprising at the Idaho State Penitentiary that resulted in damage still seen at the site to this day. Oral histories from Guards Charlie Griggs, ...
10.31.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Curt Williams In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer and Idaho State Patrolman Curt Williams who worked at the Idaho State Penitentiary during the 1971 riot. Curt talks about being in the yard at the ...
10.27.2020 EP 37 - 1971 Riot "Boiling Point" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, things heat up as Anthony and Skye discuss how the weather helped spark one of the most violent prison riots at the Old Pen. Hear oral histories from prisoner Ron Macik who served a ...
10.13.2020 EP 36 - 1966 Riot "Sixty-Six Sit-In" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and the attempts made by Idaho prisoners to invoke change through a week-long strike after losing commissary privileges.
09.29.2020 EP 35 - 1958 Riot "Bull Pen" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye launch into a discussion about the Space Race, and break down a hostage situation led by a prisoner with the unfortunate nickname of "Legal Cutie."
09.15.2020 EP 34 - 1952 Riot "Horseshoes & Heavies" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the fascinating and turbulent history of 1950s Cold War America, and an uprising quickly quelled by Warden Clapp with the help of a few hundred dollars in tear gas ...
09.05.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Mary Crumroy On today's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye discusses a black widow who threw a few mini-riots of her own in the Women's Ward, #3691 Mary Crumroy (Murder in the 2nd Degree).
08.29.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 2 Anthony finishes telling the story of Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—as he cleans up the Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta!
08.25.2020 EP 33 - 1935 Riot "The Legend Of Chocolate Slim" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through a riot that resulted in an unfortunate nickname for Yard Captain Gilbert Talley. ATTENTION! The exhibition - Disturbing Justice - will not open until late September. Please stay tuned ...
08.22.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 1 On our first Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony discusses Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—and this is only the first part of his life! Tune in next Saturday for part 2.
08.11.2020 EP 32 - 1910 Uprising "Snook Sense" In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the first recorded attempt by ISP inmates to stage a riot against Warden John Snook, a man with a certain sense for such situations.
08.06.2020 EP 31 - An Introduction To Disturbing Justice Season 4 is here! In this episode, Skye and Anthony interviewed the Old Pen Team who made both the new season of the podcast and a brand new exhibition - Disturbing Justice: An Illustrated Narrative of I.S.P. Uprisings - happen, ...
08.01.2020 Season 4 Teaser We're just about back with a brand new season! Can you guess the theme? Let us know in our Behind Gray Walls Podcast Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/behindgraywalls).
05.30.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - John Dinger on Unlawful Cohabitation Skye and Anthony sit down with Ada County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney, Historian, and Author John Dinger to discuss the crime of Unlawful Cohabitation that targeted members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints during the late 1800s.
05.26.2020 EP 30 - Wilmbusse And Proud In the last episode of Season 3, Anthony and Skye talk about a man whose journey into hypnotism literally made him crazy #852 Henry Wilmbusse (Murder in the Second Degree) and a woman whose sister compared her to Jesus Christ ...
05.19.2020 EP 29 - Arthur Mary Allen In this season’s couple’s episode, Anthony and Skye pick up where Anthony left off last week, finishing the story of Reuben Gardner’s accomplices and whole ham stealers #1186 Arthur Allen and #1187 Mary Allen (Burglary in the First Degree).
05.12.2020 EP 28 - Gardner And Van Ostrand Skye and Anthony detail former Ohio prisoner turned Boise thief and dog abuser #1158 Reuben Gardner (Burglary) and bookkeeper juggling the accounts "to make ends meet," #7954 Norma Van Ostrand (Embezzlement). Order your copy of Numbered: Inside Idaho's Prison for ...
05.09.2020 Stool Pigeon Saturday - Jack Hourcade on William Dreyer Anthony sits down with Old Pen Tour Guide Extraordinaire Jack Hourcade who tells the story of William Dreyer who just couldn't stop himself from forging checks. Special thanks to Hidden Shelf Publishing for giving us permission to share quotes from ...
05.05.2020 EP 27 - Pugmire And Samaniego Skye and Anthony detail a persistent parolee violator with a surprise crime spree #9216 & #10587 Virginia Lorene Pugmire (Forgery) and a truly nasty inmate who perhaps deserved what he got #8215 Roberto Samaneigo (Voluntary Manslaughter). Trigger Warning includes gun ...
04.28.2020 Ep 26 - McLennan And Skinner Anthony and Skye explore the details of a pegged-leg Scotchman #3455 Kenneth McLennan (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and a forger who just couldn’t stay away from troubled men #8446 June Lavon Skinner (Forgery). Trigger Warning includes gun violence.

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Behind Gray Walls episodes:

EP 55 - Underwood And Kidd

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden Jay Christensen

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Ian Pickens On Frank Lobear

EP 54 - LIVE! Ensley And Reynolds And Hopper

EP 53 - Hazeltine And Feely And Moore

EP 52 - LIVE Swatsenbarg And Deaton

EP 51 - Lopez And St. Cyr

EP 50 - Clark And Ross

Season 6 Teaser

Stool Pigeon Saturday - The Warden's Son With Bette Joe And Roch Clapp

Stool Pigeon Saturday - John Dinger

EP 49 - Seward And Shreve

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Steven Branting On Margaret Hardy

EP 48 - Anna And Richard Woodfine

EP 47 - Eliason And Gillespie

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Don Mummert

EP 46 - Maxwell And Brezicky

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Randy Martinez

EP 45 - Hall And Phelps

EP 44 - Golden And Hester

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Hayley Noble on Henry Wasielewski

EP 43 - Webb And McBride

Stool Pigeon Saturday - HannaLore Hein on the 1918 Influenza Pandemic

EP 42 - Barnes And Brooks

EP 41 - LIVE Christopher And Carringer

EP 40 - Andrews And Mahaffey

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Judy Buck On Hattie McCormick

EP 39 - Martin And McCormick

Season 5 Teaser

Stool Pigeon Saturday - 1980 Riot Calvin May

EP 38 - 1973 Riot "Down In Flames"

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Curt Williams

EP 37 - 1971 Riot "Boiling Point"

EP 36 - 1966 Riot "Sixty-Six Sit-In"

EP 35 - 1958 Riot "Bull Pen"

EP 34 - 1952 Riot "Horseshoes & Heavies"

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Mary Crumroy

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 2

EP 33 - 1935 Riot "The Legend Of Chocolate Slim"

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 1

EP 32 - 1910 Uprising "Snook Sense"

EP 31 - An Introduction To Disturbing Justice

Season 4 Teaser

Stool Pigeon Saturday - John Dinger on Unlawful Cohabitation

EP 30 - Wilmbusse And Proud

EP 29 - Arthur Mary Allen

EP 28 - Gardner And Van Ostrand

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Jack Hourcade on William Dreyer

EP 27 - Pugmire And Samaniego

Ep 26 - McLennan And Skinner