You want to know what a Diva, Hand Models can be? Listen to this episode with New York Times editor, Kim Gougenheim. Kim and I discuss, hand models, shooting on the set of Sesame Street, meeting and working with Elmo. We find out what Elmo can’t do, or is allowed to hold, we discuss her time at Rolling Stone magazine, working at O magazine and her first time meeting Oprah, which also included meeting Maya Angelou, working at Rachel Ray magazine and working with Rachel Ray, how they were able to continue shooting during CoVid lockdown and a bunch more interesting stories. So go take a listen and let me know what you think.