Leo talks to Ben Wizner, Edward Snowden's Lawyer and the Director of the ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project about the balance between safety and privacy. Can legal reforms bring about transparency in government and overreach by the intelligence community? Ben thinks that nothing will ever replace activist journalism as a balance to government power.

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Host: Leo Laporte

Guest: Ben Wizner

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