In this episode, a recording taken from an event at Readings Carlton, to celebrate the publication of Benjamin Hegarty’s book, The Made Up State: technology, trans femininity and Citizenship in Indonesia.

In The Made Up State, anthropologist Benjamin Hegarty contends that warias, who compose one of Indonesia's trans feminine populations, have cultivated a distinctive way of captivating the affective, material, and spatial experiences of belonging to a modern public sphere.

Hegarty was joined in discussion by Dennis Altman, Vice Chancellor's Fellow at LaTrobe University and University of Melbourne Cultural Studies Researcher Annisa Beta.