Running Ken-less, Rob and Wendy will talk to Joel Geier of Brewery Travels about his new book, Flights Across America: A Brewery Lover’s Journey. Hear about his travels and experiences in breweries across the country!

In 2025 Better on Draft will be recording on the second and fourth Friday of the month at 8:30 Eastern. You can watch us live to share your questions, opinions, and drinks on Facebook, Twitch, and Youtube.

Flights Across America is available at many locations and Amazon is one of them: https://www.amazon.com/Flights-Across-America-Brewery-Journey/dp/B0DN3RH9KJ

Joel can be found on many platforms as Brewery Travels. His Bluesky profile is https://bsky.app/profile/brewerytravels.bsky.social

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

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For Ken's last podcast as a regular host he invited Eric Briggeman of Rochester Mills Brewing, the first guest on Better on Draft ever. Join us for a bit of nostalgia and catch up on Rochester Mills and Eric's (and Amanda's) current activities.

In 2025 Better on Draft will start recording on the second and fourth Friday of the month at 8:30 Eastern. You can watch us live to share your questions, opinions, and drinks on Facebook, Twitch, and Youtube.

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd – https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
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Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

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The Better on Draft team checks in with long-time friend of the show Kevin DeGrood. You may know him from North Central Brewing or from his presence within the Michigan craft beer scene or maybe you are meeting him for the firt time (like Rob). We'll hear about the hardships of running a brewery, even a successful one, and what Kevin sees in the industry and market.

This is Ken's penultimate episode and he will be missed greatly. Better on Draft will continue in 2025 with live recordings every second and fourth Friday of the month at 8:30pm ET on Twitch, Kick, and Facebook.

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd – https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
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Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

At most craft beer festivals you're guaranteed two things.  Amazing Michigan Beer, and seeing Chuck Marshall and his wife Brenda running around the festival grounds snapping amazing photographs and promoting the event.  Since we knew they'd be attending 4 Elf we took the time to sit down with them for an hour to go over their website and cover of craft beer and music in Michigan, as well as get to know them a bit more personally and how they get around the state finding these neat little things to do!  

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, X, and Facebook!

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd – https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
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Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

4 Elf Day 2024 was on December 14th this year and we headed out to Marshall Michigan to see what is going on in the world of ROAK and Dark Horse.  The first half of the episode brings out Chuck Mascari Jr, managing partner of ROAK/Dark Horse to talk about the industry, the changes, and how they've been weaving in the murky waters of the current landscape of craft beer.  It just so happens, big fan of Dark Horse Rob Sims (former Detroit Lion and co-founder of Primitiv) talk about the comparison of the Cannibas and beer industry, and what each industry can learn from each other as consumer choices continue to change each year.  

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, X, and Facebook!

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd – https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter – https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

CRAFT BEER PODCAST INFO:
Ken, Wendy, and Rob chase the beer truck to get some BCBS, discuss alcoholic advent calendars, and lots of beery things.

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, and Facebook! We'll also be live at 4 Elf Party Dec 14th at Dark Horse Brewery in Marshall, MI.

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit - The Detroit Brew Trail - https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor - https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) - https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co - https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord - https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map - http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft - https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd - https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

CRAFT BEER PODCAST INFO:
Wendy and Rob discuss some things they learned while preparing for a non-alcoholic brewery interview that will hopefully be rescheduled. They also discuss beer! in! space! and the Craft Beer Hall of Fame, certifications, removing alcohol from beer, poor decisions on a bicycle, and spiderman's alcohol-free beer.

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, and Facebook!

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit - The Detroit Brew Trail - https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor - https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) - https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co - https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord - https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map - http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft - https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd - https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

CRAFT BEER PODCAST INFO:
Join Ken, Wendy, and Rob in a conversation with Brian from Stormcloud Brewing out of Frankfort (not Frankenmuth). Brian sells us all on the trek up to Traverse City to hang out at a cool brewpub (or a taproom if the brewpub is busy). A Belgian-inspired brewery doing easy-drinking traditional styles in a fun and interesting environment. You should see them in the winter!

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, and Facebook!


MICHIGAN SERIES: Having brought in guests from all over the country this past two years, we wanted to still be true to our roots, so we have began the Michigan Series. A series of Michigan Brewery owners, employees, brewers, and sales reps, talking about what is happening here in the state and what is happening at their facilities.

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit - The Detroit Brew Trail - https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor - https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) - https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co - https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord - https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map - http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft - https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd - https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

CRAFT BEER PODCAST INFO:
Join Ken, Wendy, and Rob in a conversation with Nick from HOMES out of Ann Arbor. Nick talks about how he came to be the head brewer doing interesting and exciting beverages, how he works within the industry, and working within the Michigan and farther beer community.

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, and Facebook!


MICHIGAN SERIES: Having brought in guests from all over the country this past two years, we wanted to still be true to our roots, so we have began the Michigan Series. A series of Michigan Brewery owners, employees, brewers, and sales reps, talking about what is happening here in the state and what is happening at their facilities.

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit - The Detroit Brew Trail - https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor - https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) - https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co - https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord - https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map - http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft - https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd - https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft

CRAFT BEER PODCAST INFO:
Recorded live at Nick the Brewer's place, Nick and Ian (formerly of Cellarmen's) joins us to talk about their long history in the industry, what has changed since we've had them on last, and what the future holds for craft beer, its fandom, and its future.  

Join us live at our new start time, 8:30pm ET, every other Friday! Live on Twitch, Kick, X, and Facebook!

Sponsors:
Visit Detroit – The Detroit Brew Trail – https://visitdetroit.com/food-drink/breweries-wineries-distilleries/detroit-brew-trail/
Zetouna Liquor – https://www.facebook.com/Zetouna-Liquor-Fine-Wine-Cigars-146021445420374/
Craftapped (Code BOD for 15% Off At Checkout) – https://craftapped.com/join-page-by-state/
Rochester Mills Beer Co – https://www.beercos.com/

Join The Michigan Beer Discord – https://discord.gg/vEEDyzwdjT

Download the MI Beer Map – http://www.mibeermap.com

Subscribe to Better on Draft – https://plnk.to/BOD
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/6AlzP1BH0iykayF856bGRc?si=xXZzdd3CTPqgUq_KYTnBKg
iTunes – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-on-draft-a-craft-beer-podcast/id1091124740

Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/betterondraft
Untappd – https://www.untappd.com/user/betterondraft
YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/c/betterondraft
Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/betterondraft
Twitter – https://www.twitter.com/betterondraft
Tik Tok- https://www.tiktok.com/@betterondraft