On this special Between Sundays episode, we’re live from We Gather Pastors Weekend in Baltimore Maryland.

Gary, Loran, Mark, and David discuss a wide number of topics, including:

Surviving burnout in ministry

Plus, an incredible story from Pastor Billy Humphrey, founder of City of Refuge Baltimore, who went from poverty to purpose — and is now transforming his neighborhood with the hope of Jesus.

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In this profoundly moving episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Caleen Howard shares her extraordinary journey of faith, obedience, and resilience. From the call that led her and her husband from Toronto to Evanston, Illinois, to the unimaginable tragedy that changed everything, Pastor Howard speaks with grace and clarity about the cost—and power—of saying “yes” to God.

If you’ve ever wondered how to keep going when life takes a turn you never saw coming, Pastor Howard’s story will leave you inspired and reminded that God’s plans are good—even when the path is hard.

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Between Sundays Podcast - Episode 5: The Power of Generosity

Listen to candid conversations about stewardship, generosity, and the transformative power of giving in ministry. You'll hear testimonies, including how teaching stewardship has transformed churches, the importance of transparency in church finances, and how giving can free individuals from fear and selfishness.

This episode also addresses the challenges pastors face in preaching about giving and provides practical advice on inspiring a culture of generosity without fear or manipulation.

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In this special live episode of Between Sundays, recorded at the We Gather event in Dallas, Texas, our hosts—Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper—sit down with a room full of ministers and spouses for a powerful, honest conversation about life in ministry.

With wisdom drawn from decades of experience, they share insights on staying spiritually refreshed, avoiding the trap of comparison, leading through hard seasons, and embracing the sacred weight of the calling. From laughter-filled stories about road trip mishaps to deeply personal reflections on burnout, mental health, and calling, this episode is a masterclass in pastoral resilience and authenticity.

Whether you're in a season of harvest or hardship, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, remember your calling, and never lose sight of the One you're following.

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In this powerful episode of Between Sundays, our hosts discuss the value and impact of long-term pastoral ministry. With nearly a century of combined experience in the same pulpits, these leaders open up about the blessings and challenges of staying rooted in one place. From reflections on spiritual passion and shepherding God’s people to avoiding the trap of celebrity culture in ministry, this episode is full of wisdom for pastors at any stage of their journey. Whether you're leading a congregation of 19 or 1,900, this conversation is a heartfelt reminder that faithfulness, not fame, is the measure of true success in ministry.

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Episode 2: The Call to Preach

In Episode 2 of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper dive into the sacred call of preaching. They explore the anointing that sets true preaching apart, sharing personal stories—like Livingston’s time with Billy Graham and Cooper’s defining call from God. The conversation tackles the balance of preparation and spontaneity, the "inescapable call" to preach, and the need for a revival of authentic gospel proclamation in today’s culture.

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Episode 1: The Calling, The Challenges, and The Journey

In this debut episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston and David Cooper have an authentic conversation about the realities of life in ministry. They discuss the challenges of following a legacy leader, the significance of small beginnings, and the faithfulness required to navigate the ups and downs of pastoral life. With personal stories of stepping into the unknown, trusting God's provision, and staying committed to the call, this episode offers wisdom and encouragement for pastors and leaders at every stage of ministry.

Tune in for powerful insights, real-life experiences, and a reminder that true success in ministry is measured not by numbers, but by faithfulness to God's calling.