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  • Episode 292: Afternoon with the Atheists

    In this episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety, you will meet John C. from Paris, Vick Losick, from New York City, John Huey from Washington D.C., and Larry Knight from Toronto. The four appeared on the podcast to talk about a new secular recovery meeting they started called “Afternoon with the Atheists,” which is named after a panel discussion they have been presenting at Secular AA Conferences since 2016.

    The meeting is intended to provide a safe space for atheists or secularly-minded people in general to find support for their recovery without the burden of a Higher Power, 12 Steps, Traditions, and all the slogans and language found in 12 Step meetings.

    The meetings are held on Zoom every Sunday at 2:00 PM EST.

    Meeting Information
    • Meeting Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86933796705
    • Zoom ID: 869 3379 6705
    • Passcode: 965219
    • Links

      Episode 48: Larry K and the Settlement with the Toronto Intergroup

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      38 min
    • Episode 291: Overcoming Sugar Addiction with Mike Collins

      In this episode we talk with Mike Collins. Mike is the founder of sugaraddiction.com and is passionate about helping people overcome their addictions. He is the author of “The Last Resort Sugar Detox”, which you can read for free on his website. This was Mike’s second appearance on our podcast. He was previously our guest on episode 115 which was posted in July 2019.

      What we talked about
        • Mike’s community with over 20,000 participants.
        • Sugar as the gateway drug
        • The recovery community paving the way to address our obesity crisis
        • Sugar is in most of the food we see in the grocery store. We need to eat whole foods.
        • We know more about the dangers of sugar than ever before.
        • As adults we aren’t using sugar to feel good, we are simply fighting withdrawals.
        • Mike’s story.
        • The importance of understanding sugar addiction as a substance use disorder.
        • Sugar addiction impairs emotional development.
        • Thirty Day Detox.
        • Detox to lifestyle program.
        • Spectrum of sugar addiction.
        • Difference between Mike’s program and 12 Step fellowships such as Overeaters Anonymous and other groups.
        • Largest Sugar Detox to start on January 1.
        • The Quit Sugar Summit.
        • Reducing the stigma and increasing awareness of sugar addiction.
        • Links

          sugaraddiction.com

          The Quit Sugar Summit
          “Last Resort Sugar Detox Guide”

          44 min
        • Episode 290: Clean Slate | A Conversation with the Filmmaker Jared Callahan

          When it comes to creating a compelling documentary, the process surprisingly often starts with putting the camera down. As Host John Sheldon’s guest on this episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety explains, establishing a relational trust element is essential to capturing those intimate moments that make us forget we’re watching a film. In his absorbing new project, set in a real-world rehab facility, Director Jared Callahan integrates us into the minute-to-minute struggle that is addiction, changing and re-shaping our understanding of it as a disease.  “Clean Slate,” a release from People People Media, tells the raw and very personal story of two roommates who hatch a plan to make a short film about their recovery journey – while still on their recovery journey.

          By putting a vulnerable and unflinching lens on addiction, Jared and his team personalize its grip on sufferers and their families. The hope, says the director, is to cultivate new levels of empathy and broader awareness. “I could have used more statistics or graphs, but for this film the best way was just to say these are the guys and this is the reality at this time,” says Jared, who is also a pastor. “These are people who are your family and neighbors.” The film-within-a-film narrative opens a unique window onto recovery, highlighting the healing power of creativity, even in the face of relapse and isolation. You’ll come away from this conversation eager to watch “Clean Slate” (available on these streaming platforms) and share it with others. Community, says the director, is what knits together hope and progress along the lifelong journey that is recovery. It’s all about building trust and accountability, capturing the beauty of returning to things we have loved and lost along the way. “People who work in recovery circles laugh really hard and cry really hard,” says Jared, “and in that they are not pretending to be perfect. They are just very real.”

          “Clean Slate” is available now across all streaming media platforms, including at Amazon Prime, Apple TV and on YouTube.

          Key Takeaways
          • About the inspiration behind “Clean Slate”: How Jared surprised himself by getting sucked into the compelling story of two roommates – aspiring filmmakers – in rehab.
          • How Jared used both the film-within-a-film and a foundational trust relationship as a portal into a very specific, raw season of his subjects’ lives.
          • The recovery environment itself is a sort of central character in the film, holding space for the laughter, tears and vulnerability that form the heart of the documentary.
          • The Brutality of Relapse: About the real-time story of a principle in the film whose course to recovery is not straight.
          • What Jared Hopes People Get Out of “Clean Slate”:
            • A more nuanced understanding of addiction as a disease.
            • The stark aloneness and isolation experienced in relapse.
            • An opportunity for people – both addicts and their loved ones – to feel seen and understood.
            • About the ethics of documentary filmmaking and the essential intimacy that develops when the process is relational and integral.
            • Why the up-close and personal approach taken in “Clean Slate” is important – and deliberately different from a more medically or institutionally oriented approach.
            • Mental Health and Addiction: The downward spiral and legal challenges associated with trying as family members to support those suffering one or both afflictions.
            • Understanding the “long-term, forever” nature of addiction and the multi-pronged approach (including treatment and community) necessary to support recovery.
            • Balancing Story with Education: In the process of exploring topics and sharing messages, Jared is himself being schooled on both life and the art of filmmaking.
            • Jared is at work on a new podcast project that will blend storytelling with important information and insights related to a specific group’s unfolding experience of a12-step-based program.
            • From Step Zero to Step One: About moving from the lowest lows towards those first tentative rungs on the recovery ladder.
            • Jared’s origin story as a filmmaker, a journey that has taken him from chronicler of a teen skateboard scene to directing feature-length films to starting his own production company and retreat space for artists, People People Media.
            • A Parting Request: Visit one of these links to watch “Clean Slate” and share it with people in your life who might be touched or helped by the film’s message!
            • Key Quotes

              “As a documentary filmmaker, a lot of my job is creating a safe environment.” (Jared)

              “I try to put a mirror up to who my subjects are to show both them and the world a portal into this aspect or season of life.” (Jared)

              “People who work in recovery circles laugh really hard and cry really hard … and in that they are not pretending to be perfect. They are just very real.” (Jared)

              “There are some moments on every project that I put the camera down on purpose because filming is relational. They’re trusting me. It’s not just filming everything and putting a camera in their face.” (Jared)

              “If you journey with (the characters) you can add empathy to your life because you can see from their own experiences and words what it’s like to be them and what it’s like for them daily, hourly, minute-ly working on being healthy and staying sober.” (Jared)

              “I really appreciate the recovery communities we’ve experienced in the way they value community and a multi-pronged system. No one thing is going to solve everything.” (Jared)

              “Feeling like you’re in the room and the camera goes away … that’s the best thing I can do as a filmmaker.” (Jared)

              “I could have used more statistics or graphs, but for this film the best way was just to say these are the guys and this is the reality at this time … These are people who are your family and neighbors.” (Jared)

              “I want to be shaped, change, grow and learn. So when I do it with a video camera I kind of get to invite you along with me on a journey I’ve experienced in a really deep way.” (Jared)

              “Recovery communities are so good at word of mouth and sharing their lives and things that matter to them, so I hope we’ve made something that matters to them … and that they share it with other people.” (Jared)

              Further Resources

              Learn more about People People Media.

              Additional films offered by Jared and his team.

              About Our Guest

              Jared is a national Emmy-nominated filmmaker whose work has been released through PBS, The New York Times, GQ, The Atlantic, Sundance, Tribeca and 250+ film festivals worldwide. His NYT Op-Doc, “Saltwater Baptism,” was nominated alongside Lady Gaga for a 2018 Webby Award. Jared also founded People People Media, a boutique production and collaboration space for artists working in a variety of media.

              FOLLOW Jared and People People Media:

              Website | Instagram | Trailer | LinkedIn

              Show Notes Written by knwhelmick at Fiverr 

              32 min
            • Episode 289: Soberlink | Accountability in Recovery

              Accountability is at the core of any recovery program and, as we are reminded on this episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety, there are many roads to get there. Host John Sheldon invites his guest, Mark Knobloch, to share some of the strategies he finds most helpful to the people he advises as an addiction recovery advisor. Having been a previous guest of the pod (Episode #181 can be found here), Mark has returned to delve a little more deeply into the benefits he has seen play out for users of Soberlink, an in-home system featuring a cutting-edge breathalyzer with facial recognition technology. The system offers transparency and peace of mind while those in treatment re-build confidence in themselves and trust with those they love.

              John and Mark reflect on the importance of meeting people fighting addiction wherever they are – physically, emotionally, psychologically and even spiritually. Both have found through the course of their own journeys that less dogma means more room for authenticity in recovery. With alcohol in particular and addiction in general so prevalent across the globe, there is growing momentum towards calling out an industry that lobbies relentlessly to make this potentially lethal substance glamorous. It’s everywhere! But because of conversations like this one, a growing number of people are bringing awareness to the powerfully negative impact alcohol has on individuals, families and entire communities. Mark shares reflections on his work and the meaning it brings to his life 10 years into sobriety, emphasizing the sense of purpose (and fun) he has found in supporting others in finding their unique paths to health and freedom.

              It was a pleasure to hear Mark’s first-hand observations about our partners at Soberlink – who have given Beyond Belief Sobriety ongoing support and sponsorship. Click here to learn more about the unique remote alcohol technology that Soberlink has created to help provide accountability for people in recovery. The system includes a high-tech breathalyzer device with facial recognition that allows you to share your sobriety in real time with loved ones.

              To view this and other episodes of Beyond Belief Sobriety on YouTube, visit this link.

              Key Takeaways
              • Mark previously appeared in Episode #181 (which you can find here) to discuss a variety of tools and resources he uses in recovery. He has returned with a special focus on his experience deploying the Soberlink
              • At 10 years in recovery, Mark has gotten a lot out of following different routes to sobriety and self-understanding, including the 12 steps, yoga and meditation.
              • The importance of meeting people in addiction where they are and enabling them to progress through a course of treatment that works for them as individuals.
              • Thoughts on Smart Recovery, a cognitive behavioral therapy-oriented program for sobriety that both John and Mark have explored with interest.
              • How Soberlink helps solidify peace of mind while trust is being rebuilt among people in recovery and their family members.
              • Finding the Path: Active listening is a cornerstone of Mark’s approach to coaching, encouraging conversation with open-ended, empathetic questions.
              • It Takes All Kinds: Mark reviews a range of sobriety tools that have been effective for those he counsels, from the drug Antabuse to the 12 steps to the gym or spending time in nature.
              • The treatment of diseases like diabetes has changed dramatically over the decades, so why shouldn’t there be a similar evolution in treating addiction?
              • John reviews some key elements of the Echo Recovery peer support program:
                • Understanding recovery as a process of change.
                • Considering goals and expectations for life in recovery.
                • Meeting people where they are.
                • Alcoholics Anonymous is a tool that works for many – but not for all – and can’t be judged based on any one meeting or group. The alchemy changes all the time.
                • Why do we normalize alcohol use in society? Buy into marketing messages that depict it as glamorous, positive and fun? Remember when cigarettes were regarded that way?
                • About physical and psychological dependency and just how little we’re aware of the risks when we first start drinking.
                • Dogma and rigidity can be the enemy of recovery, repelling people in search of help.
                • John and Mark reflect on accountability and the ways in which purpose keeps them showing up for themselves and others in recovery.
                • What does it mean to drop the mask and be authentic? Where and when does claiming sobriety come into claiming one’s complete self in all contexts? (Don’t miss John’s livestream on the topic!)
                • Key Quotes

                  “Recovery jobs don’t typically pay much. It’s got to come more from the heart.” (Mark)

                  “Our (recovery) motto is: Meet the client where they’re at. Multiple pathways. Whatever works.” (Mark)

                  “Make sure the person knows that you’re truly listening – not going in and out. You’re absorbing what they’re saying and that’s how you can pick up on what direction an individual (wrestling with recovery) might want to go.” (Mark)

                  “It helps to have some underlying purpose for being sober – beyond just not going to jail and staying out of trouble.” (John)

                  “If you have other things that you can add to your arsenal, it strengthens your sobriety and recovery. It gives you more confidence.” (John)

                  “(AA) Meetings find their own personality. You’ve got to give it a shot and try several locations.” (Mark)

                  “If it’s not fun I’m not going to stay with it … There has to be an element of fun to it. I don’t want to sit around and be miserable and watch everyone else watch football and drink beer!” (Mark)

                  “Anytime I’ve heard anybody talk about Soberlink it’s always been positive … It’s just nice to know that the people who sponsor this podcast are doing something that’s helpful for people in recovery; that it’s a product that actually helps people.” (John)

                  Further Resources
                  • Soberlink
                  • Check out Smart Recovery.
                  • More about Echo Recovery.
                  • About Alcoholics Anonymous.
                  • About Mark

                    Mark Knobloch is a certified recovery advisor who works with Aware Recovery Care in Connecticut. He uses a variety of tools to help individuals and their families navigate in-home treatment for addiction.

                    Follow Mark

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                    Show Notes Written by knwhelmick at Fiverr

                    35 min
                  • Episode 288: Katy Jacopi | Challenges of a Secular Recovery

                     As she shares with Host John Sheldon on this episode of Beyond Belief, entering recovery as a non-believer at the height of pandemic presented Katy Jacopi with special challenges. Where to find community and support when the Alcoholics Anonymous concept of a “higher power” isn’t the right fit? “The reason I couldn’t deny that I had an alcohol problem was my skepticism, my ability to ask questions and not just take something at face value,” she explains. “It’s who I am and I wouldn’t be where I am today without this thought process.” Like John, Katie is speaking out where she can to ensure that the most inclusive possible message reaches the greatest number of people – without shame or the need to subscribe to any one set of beliefs.

                    Katy, who is a poet and writer, shares the story of her journey to recovery, which she ultimately cobbled together with a mix of intuitive, personal choices. You’ll learn on this episode about the many alternative groups and formats that have sprung up to serve a broad spectrum of people – resources that can still be hard to locate today, let alone 25 years ago when John first got sober in a more narrowly AA-centric world. “We’re so conditioned to be afraid of doubt,” says Katy, who is starting a podcast on exactly that topic. “If we give voice to that fear, but also acknowledge how doubt has a positive impact on who we are as people, I think it can help facilitate a bigger conversation.” Get out your notepad. This conversation highlights lots of great recovery groups!

                    To view this and other episodes of Beyond Belief Sobriety on YouTube, visit this link.

                    Key Takeaways

                     After she was diagnosed with bipolarism, Katy uncovered the existence of a problem with alcoholism and went in search of secular support.

                      • Reframing “higher power” as something other than God still wasn’t a comfortable fit for Katy, who found the entire concept problematic, regardless the language or imagery in which it was couched.
                      • Can – or should – the 12 steps written nearly 100 years ago be reconceived in ways that make them more inclusive?
                      • Katy got clarity about her alcoholism through conversation with a knowledgeable, empathetic friend and writing poems about her experience getting sober.
                      • What defines sobriety? It’s a process of change as understood by each of us individually in our own way and time. Even if there’s a relapse, you are still going through a process of change!
                      • The most important thing when it comes to supporting recovery? Meet people where they are and with the intention of helping them reach their goals!
                      • John shares two resources he has explored:
                        • LifeRing Secular Recovery
                        • Smart Recovery: Life Beyond Addiction
                        • Reflections on the unfortunate tensions that can shroud AA meetings when people are unaccepting of those with a secular orientation.
                        • Often the most dogmatic people are the most vocal – and create the most tension in rooms – with regard to the necessity of a “higher power” in the context of AA.
                        • Dealing with a potential mental health issue? Removing alcohol is a great first step towards clarity, diagnosis and treatment.
                        • Openness is key to removing stigma and reaching people in search of recovery.
                        • The reasons Katy reached out to John:
                          • She’s starting her own podcast and wanted to experience being a guest.
                          • She sought an opportunity to share her story and ask her questions.
                          • She wanted to discuss hurdles she encountered as a non-believer seeking help.
                          • Katy shares plans for her upcoming podcast, which will feature stories about how doubt has factored into the lives of people in transition.
                          • Closing thoughts on the power of doubt, shame and navigating fear to find – and be confident about – our beliefs.
                          • Key Quotes

                            “Many treatment centers and other organizations that have to do with recovery are staffed by people familiar with the 12 steps … and haven’t educated themselves beyond that.” (John)

                            “Ultimately I had to be true to myself and I am an atheist and … even back 30 years ago I didn’t use the term ‘higher power.’ ” (John)

                            “You decide for yourself what your recovery is … That word recovery has actually been defined by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) as nothing more than a process of change, of personal growth.” (John)

                            “There is no definition that you put on someone else for what their recovery is.” (John)

                            “I didn’t want to walk into a community and be honest about my outlook on life only to maybe hinder someone else’s experience.” (Katy)

                            “The reason I couldn’t deny that I had an alcohol problem was my skepticism, my ability to ask questions and not just take something at face value … It’s who I am and I wouldn’t be where I am today without this thought process.” (Katy)

                            “It’s a shame that something that started out trying to be open and inclusive for everybody has somehow become more focused on a narrower path.” (John)

                            “We are fortunate that there are so many more ways to get sober now.” (John)

                            “I was drinking for all the wrong reasons and then dealing with the consequence and the fallout.” (Katy)

                            “The more people who talk about (addiction), the more opportunity exists that it will reach somebody who needs to hear it.” (Katy)

                            “Those of us who are sober and in a position to be open about it are doing a service because it helps eliminate the stigma behind not just having an addiction but being in recovery.” (John)

                            “We’re so conditioned to be afraid of doubt … If we give voice to that fear, but also acknowledge how doubt has a positive impact on who we are as people, I think it can help facilitate a bigger conversation.” (Katy)

                            Further Resources
                            • LifeRing Secular Recovery.
                            • Smart Recovery: Life Beyond Addiction.
                            • An online locator for secular AA meetings is available here.
                            • Women for Sobriety.
                            • The Soberish Book Club.
                            • About Katy

                              Kathryn V. Jacopi, an adjunct professor, received her MFA in creative writing from Fairfield University. Her writings have appeared in Pudding Magazine, Statorec, Fjord, Manzano Mountain Review, and Drunk Monkeys. Kathryn’s poem received first place for the 2016 Hysteria Writing Competition. When she’s not reading, writing, and lesson planning, Kathryn’s either kayaking or enjoying her spouse’s fantastic cooking. This is Kathryn’s first publication in Fictional Café.

                              Follow Katy

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                              Show Notes Written by knwhelmick at Fiverr

                              1 hr
                            • Episode 287: Addicted In Film

                              Film is a medium uniquely able to capture emotional nuance, and that’s especially true when it comes to narratives about addiction. This episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety features an accomplished Hollywood veteran’s encyclopedic look at the many films (far more than you might imagine!) that tackle everything from the reality of relapse to the ripple effect of sobriety on longtime relationships to the intimate ways in which 12-step programs save lives. Ted Perkins has written “Addicted to Film: Movies We Love About the Habits We Hate” for anyone interested in recovery, anyone who loves someone in recovery and anyone who cares about the many impacts that a whole spectrum of addictions have on society. “Movies are really very interesting vehicles to tell some very profound things not just about addiction,” he says, “but the story of people overcoming addiction.”

                              Host John Sheldon discovers how Ted came to his expertise and why he chose to write this book, which has also inspired a movie club for all of us interested in watching and chatting about fascinating, moving and sometimes funny addiction-related films. In rapid fire succession, Ted is taking us on a tour of movies dating from the 1936 film “Reefer Madness,” with its covert racist agenda, to the 1988 release of “Clean & Sober,” a film with special resonance for John, who got sober that same year. If you’ve ever wondered about multi-dimensional resources out there that you haven’t yet tapped, this episode will equip you with a long list of movies to check out and a deeper understanding of the social, political and scientific trends that have shaped our understanding of addiction and recovery through the decades!

                              Click here if you’d like to purchase “Addicted to Film: Movies We Love About the Habits We Hate” and don’t miss Ted’s movie club, which you’re invited to join for free here.

                              Key Takeaways
                              • Hollywood’s partying culture in combination with the film business’s cyclical nature set the stage for alcohol addiction, which Ted addressed through the Smart Recovery Program.
                              • After deconstructing more than 100 films with themes touching on addiction and recovery, Ted began to see interesting patterns emerge as well as both heroic and sad narratives worthy of illumination.
                              • Directors like Blake Edwards and Billy Wilder had to crusade for projects dealing with addiction and recovery – topics that in general made Hollywood executives squeamish.
                              • Alcoholism as a pathology and real social phenomenon had never been depicted in film prior to Billy Wilder’s 1945 film, “The Lost Weekend.”
                              • Recovery, relapse and the failure of many people to make it out of the grip of addiction is real and worthy of addressing in the popular culture.
                              • All about the many layers of “Reefer Madness,” a 1936 film that traces back to the original war on drugs and advanced hidden messages rooted in a racist agenda.
                              • About the story of “Gia,” starring Angelina Jolie, a cautionary chronicle of the heroin addiction that knocked her down at the height of a huge international modeling career.
                              • Fame, fortune, professional accomplishment – no one is immune to addiction and in fact the pressure to perform in high-profile roles may exacerbate tendencies.
                              • Ted reflects on the exponential number of people touched by addiction – the families and other loved ones who find themselves trapped in codependence, as depicted in the film “Beautiful Boy.”
                              • “When a Man Loves a Woman, starring Meg Ryan and Andy Garcia, provides a realistic look at the subtle – and not so subtle – shift in dynamics that occurs when a romantic partner enters recovery.
                              • Ted Perkins tackles “tough love” and the concept of turning our backs on loved ones with addiction, an approach now scientifically disproven that ignores relevant factors like genetics, trauma, PTSD or major situational life stresses.
                              • Ted tackles the complexities of a variety of addiction feedback loops (such as opioids, food and sex) in “Addicted to Film: Movies We Love About the Habits We Hate.”
                              • Ted recommends the film “Fatso” not because it’s a good movie (it isn’t!) but because of some of the very profound and prescient messages it has to share.
                              • John fondly recalls “Clean & Sober,” which came out the year he got into recovery, and the big risk Michael Keaton took to bring a serious portrayal of rehab to the big screen.
                              • Of all the movies Ted has seen, he was surprised to find “Thanks for Sharing,” a 2012 production starring Mark Ruffalo, Tim Robins and Gwyneth Paltrow, among the most powerful and important for its deep dive into 12-step programs and the nature of forgiveness, healing and relapse.
                              • Don’t miss out on joining Ted’s movie club, which you can find out about here! There will be regular “watch parties” and interesting conversation about a broad range of films dealing with addiction, recovery and everything related!
                              • Key Quotes

                                “I had sort of a bird’s eye view of the goings on (in Hollywood) at very high levels … and learned a lot and, in the course of a career like that, alcohol and going to parties was a huge part of the job.” (Ted)

                                “You really can’t work in the movie business if you don’t party … I would pick up $1,000 tabs for movie stars. It was just a big part of it.” (Ted)

                                “I decided maybe these movies about drugs and alcohol and recovery have something interesting to say about it. So I barricaded myself in my room and watched 100 movies in 100 days.” (Ted)

                                “I started to see that movies are really very interesting vehicles to tell some very profound things not just about addiction but the story of people overcoming addiction and some of the heroic efforts as well as some of the sad endings.” (Ted)

                                “It’s kind of a miracle that these movies about recovery exist at all because it was a very touchy subject and it’s kind of a Debbie Downer topic.” (Ted)

                                “Alcoholism and drug abuse were these things that sort of happened in the shadows and were swept under the rug so for mainstream audiences to see that was in a sense a public service but it was also a great story – so it accomplished both aims.” (Ted)

                                “Successful recovery is really sometimes the exception to the rule and we have to be aware of that and also understand that some people are just not in a place where they’re going to seek help. And that’s tragic, but we’ve got to learn from that.” (Ted)

                                “There are reasons that people use drugs and alcohol and not all of them are personal choices … There are a lot of mitigating circumstances.” (Ted)

                                “If we’re judging sex and what it should be, then we’re really setting ourselves up in a trap      with everybody putting their own vice or judgments into an analysis of what is a purely private concern, which is how you want to have sex.” (Ted)

                                “All you can do (as the partner of an addict) is take care of yourself, be vigilant and put systems in place to love but verify.” (Ted)

                                Further Resources

                                Check out Smart Recovery USA

                                “Days of Wine and Roses,” starring Jack Lemmon.
                                “The Lost Weekend,” starring Ray Millan.
                                “Gia,” starring Angelina Jolie.
                                “Leaving Las Vegas,” starring Nicholas Cage.
                                “Man’s Search for Meaning,” by Viktor Frankl.
                                “The Myth of Sisyphus and Other Essays,” by Albert Camus.
                                “Reefer Madness,” a thinly veiled attempt to vilify Black people and other minorities.
                                “Beautiful Boy,” starring Steve Carrell and Timothée Chalamet.
                                “Dopesick,” the multi-layered Hulu series that examines the Oxycontin epidemic.
                                “Fatso” and the interesting dialogue it opens (even if the film itself isn’t great …).
                                “Clean & Sober,” starring Michael Keaton.
                                “Beetlejuice,” which has nothing to do with recovery but coincided with a time (1988) when John was newly sober and looking for escape (and also already in the theatre to see another Michael Keaton film, “Clean & Sober”).
                                “Thanks for Sharing,” starring Mark Ruffalo, Tim Robbins and Gwyneth Paltrow.

                                About Ted

                                Ted is President of Recovery TV and a professional, broadcast-quality video content production services provider for: Inpatient/Outpatient Rehab Facilities, Licensed Clinicians & Counselors, Sober Homes/Re-Entry, Mental Health Facilities & Practitioners. His skills also include show hosting, new business development, video production, motion graphics and YouTube content production. 

                                Follow Ted

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                                49 min
                              • Episode 286: The Recovery Cycle

                                Maybe you’re familiar with the Cycle of Addiction, a repeating set of stages (and downward spiral) that many of us have experienced to one degree or another. Host John Sheldon’s guest on this episode of The Beyond Belief Sobriety Podcast invites us to look at a mirror image – a Cycle of Recovery tracing a replicable process for moving towards healing. Author Joi Andreoli has designed a highly visual – and positive – framework for recovery that will inspire you with its openness and emphasis on the power of connection. Her new book also offers two different tracks – one an easy-to-follow manual for recovering individuals and the other sound clinical instruction geared towards mental health professionals and drug counselors.

                                A licensed marriage and family therapist who is herself a longtime member of the recovery community, Joi’s approach is supported by Four Cornerstones that meet you wherever you are. The cycle’s stages highlighted in her book, “The Recovery Cycle: A Practical Guide to Loving Your Sober Life,” invite readers to participate in their own vision of recovery:

                                • Focus (positive attention and concentration given toward abstinence and other life goals recovering people define for themselves.)
                                • Recovery Rituals (use tools and support from any recovery program that feels like a good fit).
                                • Contrary Action (substitute self-affirming behaviors for those that are self-destructive).
                                • Expanded Range of Feelings (learn to sit with a full spectrum of painful and pleasurable feelings).
                                • You’ll enjoy this exchange of stories and reflections on everything from the important role that connecting with others plays in recovery to how our families of origin shape behaviors and expectations that impact our lives well beyond childhood experience. John and Joi also explore an expansive definition of spirituality – a dogma-free but no less sacred expression of what it feels like to be human and share with others. Retrieving our truest selves isn’t easy, says Joi: “It’s hard work, a cycle, a process. It’s never over-and-done. It’s a continuous process.” The good news? The process can be joyful and – wherever you are in your cycle of addiction or recovery – you’ve got access to a tremendous community of support and variety of paths to pursue in finding the right fit!

                                  Just click here if you’d like to learn more about Joi’s thought-provoking book, “The Recovery Cycle: A Practical Guide to Loving Your Sober Life.”

                                  Key Takeaways
                                  • Joi was inspired to write “The Recovery Cycle: A Practice Guide to Loving Your Sober Life” to represent the emotional journey of recovery in a user-friendly, visual way.
                                  • Joi defines the process of recovery as: Becoming an observer of our thoughts and feelings while aligning our actions with the values we hold dear.
                                  • Abstinence is key, but don’t give up if you’re not there yet. Just keep reading, reflecting and trying.
                                  • Four Cornerstones of Recovery:
                                    • Focus (articulate a simple goal with help from someone who knows recovery).
                                    • Recovery Rituals (use tools and support from any recovery program that feels like a good fit).
                                    • Contrary Action (substitute self-affirming behaviors for those that are self-destructive).
                                    • Expanded Range of Feelings (learn to sit with the full spectrum of feelings – including guilt, shame or embarrassment as well as the experience of pleasure).
                                    • Recovery Rituals are an alternative to old habits that don’t serve and the basis for moving out of isolation, towards connection.
                                    • Creating connections and learning to function in healthy, caring relationships is a critical piece of recovery.
                                    • Joi was so afraid of people – and so great was her mistrust and fear of judgment – that it took 12 years before she felt comfortable sharing in groups.
                                    • It requires bravery and work to unwind years of early conditioning and learn to bring vulnerability and trust to relationships without shifting into a secondary drug of choice: blame or reactivity.
                                    • Joi’s book touches on our ability as humans to pause in response to our emotions and check in rather than respond out of fright, freeze, fight or flight.
                                    • When we identify our feelings, we can communicate and resolve them appropriately.
                                    • John reflects on the power of early influences and how our families of origin can shape expectations, boundaries and behaviors.
                                    • Recovery is about finding your own voice and way of being – outside of whatever was programmed into you at a young age.
                                    • The act of not drinking becomes much more powerful when it’s paired with recovering a personal vision, pursuit or larger goal for your life.
                                    • Structuring time around positive experiences and people is a critical building block in sobriety because it brings meaning and growth.
                                    • Spirituality as a language and expression of our human connection without regard to anything more than simply our lived experience and feelings.
                                    • In closing: If you’re struggling, don’t give up. Find someone you feel safe with and trust. Honesty and connection is where it all starts!
                                    • Key Quotes

                                      “If you’re thinking that there’s a problem, there probably is a problem.” (Joi)

                                      “If I want to progress and have my behavior align with my ideals for myself, my inner most self, I need to do that sober.” (Joi)

                                      “I believe recovery rituals need to include other sober people that I like and that have the same values.” (Joi)

                                      “If we live (the cycle) fully and engage in it, insert ourselves into the whole thing, we can drop down into feeling a greater connection to ourselves, others and maybe something greater – if you believe in that.” (Joi)

                                      “We have a common shared experience in our pain and in our joys and I think it’s vital to have healthy, caring relationships.” (Joi)

                                      “Relationships require work. There’s no way around it, which I think is good. It helps us as human beings.” (John)

                                      “We get sober but are still bringing that (childhood) conditioning to our relationships.” (Joi)

                                      “Impulse control is really a hallmark of sobriety … but it’s hard work, a cycle, a process. It’s never over-and-done. It’s a continuous process.” (Joi)

                                      “People use the word God, but it’s almost a shared spirit … Developing this relationship with myself and my values is all mixed into it, connecting with myself and other people.” (Joi)

                                      “Connection with other people is that feeling of being safe and feeling like you’re loved and with people who understand you.” (John)

                                      “(My book) is a visual representation of this emotional journey that we’re all going to do. We’ve just got to stay sober!” (Joi)

                                      Further Resources
                                      • Joi’s Book: “The Recovery Cycle: A Practical Guide to Loving Your Sober Life.”
                                      • Earnie Larsen’s “Stage II Recovery: Life Beyond Addiction.”
                                      • A YouTube clip of Psychiatrist Dan Siegel talking about “Name It to Tame It.”
                                      • Here’s Beyond Belief’s episode about William James and Peg O’Connor’s book, “Higher and Friendly Powers: Transforming Addiction and Suffering,” which you can find here. 
                                      • About Our Guest

                                        Joi earned her Master’s in Psychology from Antioch University, Los Angeles. She spent three years studying communication strategies and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy at the WANT® Institute, becoming a Certified WANT® Educator and Transactional Analysis Practitioner.

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                                        45 min
                                      • Episode 285: Magnify Maggie

                                        Although of different generations, Host John Sheldon and his guest on this episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety find commonality both in the loss of a loved one to suicide and their perspectives on recovery. Maggie Jenson, an alternative recovery coach, shares the journey and vision behind her remarkable Magnify Digital Rehabilitation Program, including the traumatic past she overcame through positivity and empowerment. “Recovery isn’t about shaming yourself,” she says. “It’s about recovering things that you love so much that (alcohol) doesn’t have the power over you that you once believed.”

                                        You’ll learn about how Maggie found her way to mental and physical health through a combination of modalities and an emphasis on self-awareness. Her platform offers innovative educational modules, a knowledge bank of video resources, nutritional and physical fitness coaching and an active online community for support and accountability. A non-judgmental, non-religious, science-driven orientation infuses every aspect of the Magnify Digital Rehabilitation Program, which also embraces the concepts of harm reduction and Alcohol Use Disorder on a spectrum. With her positive mindset, Maggie doesn’t want recovery to be all about abstaining from a substance we fear. Instead? She’s inviting us to celebrate the things we love and reconnect with an identity that is “free and powerful and driven and healthy.”

                                        To explore more of Maggie’s work and hear her inspirational message, visit her many social media channels (links below). Or schedule a discovery call here.

                                        Key Takeaways
                                        • A dad in the military and a mom who was a teacher. It looked like an idyllic Midwestern life, but was profoundly shaped by alcoholism.
                                        • Despite all the research she’d read and an early introduction to AlAnon, Maggie turned to alcohol for relief after her brother committed suicide at 14, in much the same way, at 21, John started self-medicating following his mother’s suicide.
                                        • Maggie attributes her ultimate recovery and success in life to her dad, who stepped in with love and acceptance that offset her mother’s toxic anger. Still, the blueprint was set and it would be 15 years of addiction before she found a way out.
                                        • Life hurts. Depression. A traumatic history. Maggie looked to anything other than alcohol as the source of her problems.
                                        • The 2018 loss of her cherished father in a motorcycle accident drove Maggie deeper into an addiction fueled by loss after loss, alienation and detachment.
                                        • Doing Something Different: Tuning in to what “little Maggie” had once loved (fitness, studying, reading, public speaking) opened a window on fun and engagement that gradually replaced her thoughts about alcohol.
                                        • Maggie’s recovery was built on developing an identity totally apart from alcohol – one that was self-soothing and self-sustaining without substances.
                                        • Painting alcohol as a target gives our brains something on which to fixate rather than a positive, empowering direction in which to go.
                                        • Neutralizing alcohol is the starting point for shifting away from rumination, shame, guilt and compulsion.
                                        • Scientific research is establishing that Alcohol Use Disorder exists on a spectrum, which means there is a spectrum of ways in which to respond.
                                        • Black and White Thinking: No one is served by extreme labels that shut down people who would otherwise be open to exploring sobriety.
                                        • Harm Reduction: Moderation is incremental and can be a viable alternative to total abstinence.
                                        • Recovery as a process of change – not a tool dedicated exclusively to sobriety.
                                        • What is the opposite of addiction? For Maggie, it’s freedom and health. It’s living as someone recovered, fully alive and engaged.
                                        • Maggie remind us: Any idea we believe about ourselves will manifest, so be intentional about the messages you telegraph. Are they disempowering?
                                        • All about Maggie’s Magnify Digital Rehabilitation Program, whose components include:
                                          • Non-religious, science-based modules to evolve mindset.
                                          • 30+ lessons designed to break the chains of addiction and habitual thinking.
                                          • A community-based network for friendship and accountability.
                                          • Physical fitness and nutritional support.
                                          • It’s all about shifting energetically into gratitude and positive consciousness.
                                          • Maggie’s program is based on a curriculum with established pillars, but also allows for flexibility and accommodation to each individual’s personal journey.
                                          • Key Quotes

                                            “The first words out of my mouth as soon as I took that drink and felt the buzz were: ‘Wow. I see why my mom was an alcoholic.’ It was the first sense of warmth that I’d gotten in so long.” (Maggie)

                                            “I could drink hard alcohol so I thought I was really cool. Ten years pass, you get into your mid-20s and it’s not as cool anymore.” (Maggie)

                                            “No person can take intelligent, positive action if they’re locked in a negative state.” (Maggie)

                                            “When we’re locked into a negative drinking behavior, that’s an identity. That’s a belief that we have about ourselves, that we have no power and need (alcohol) to feel better.” (Maggie)

                                            “Recovery isn’t about shaming yourself into avoiding and trying to manipulate and control external circumstances. It’s about recovering things that you love so much that (alcohol) doesn’t have the power over you that you once believed.” (Maggie)

                                            “It’s about experimenting with your life and passions without having to necessarily quit forever.” (Maggie)

                                            “If you really want to help somebody, you’ve got to meet them where they are. And you’ve got to understand that not everybody needs the same thing.” (John)

                                            “Over time harm reduction leads to … almost 100% abstinence. It’s just a process.” (Maggie)

                                            “(My) identity is not sober or addicted. It’s free and powerful and driven and healthy … Instead of living in recovery, I’m recovered. I’m human. I’m normal.” (Maggie)

                                            “Any recovery path needs to have a big focus on identity and who you believe you are – and are not … You have to assess your goal and if your beliefs are contradictory, you’re never going to get there.” (Maggie)

                                            “The steps are all there, but they mold to the person versus making a person mold to the steps.” (Maggie)

                                            Additional Information
                                            • “A Happier Hour,” by Rebecca Weller.
                                            • About Andrew Carnegie, the philanthropist who once said: “ANY idea that is held in the mind, that is emphasized, that is either feared or revered, will begin at once to cloth itself in the most convenient and appropriate form available.”
                                            • About Maggie

                                              Maggie is an Alternative Recovery Coach & Mentor teaching society how to Think Different to Drink Different, or Never Again! She is the proud Owner and Operator behind Magnify Progressive Wellness, a company devoted to being your one-stop-shop for wellness with an emphasis on mental health.

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                                              49 min
                                            • Episode 284: Amy Willis – Sobriety and Mindset Coach

                                              When it comes to alcohol, it’s easy to fall into myopia and focus on our own particular circumstances, but this episode reminds us that actually we’re all part of a much larger context – one that powerfully affects our thoughts and choices. Sobriety Coach Amy Willis shares with Host John Sheldon the four pillars that define and reinforce her approach to recovery: Radical Honesty, Mindset Change, Habit Change and Resiliency. Alcohol and our relationship to it  are viewed through the prism of deep-seated trauma and cultural conditioning that factor into everyone’s equation in some way.

                                              With a special focus on women and the LGBTQ community, Amy’s practice is informed by her own lived experience – and the stats that indicate disproportionate issues with substance addiction among mothers and marginalized communities. She highlights complementary tools that augment the work, like tapping (known as EFT), meditation and habit change. And you’ll also learn about the major social and economic forces at play as well as glimmers of hope that sober curiosity is subjecting alcohol use to the same sort of scrutiny that over time created a wholesale change in our attitudes towards smoking. No more free passes for the alcohol industry’s relentless advertising and lobbying!

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                                              Key Takeaways
                                              • Amy shares her coaching orientation, an overview of the calling and tools she uses.
                                              • One Size Does Not Fit All: Amy and John believe that the more recovery options the better. Everyone needs to be met where they are, on their own path.
                                              • There are four basic tenets at the heart of Amy’s holistic program:
                                              • Radical Honesty: Establishing a practice that names and courageously owns whatever negativity we harbor or aspect of our lives that doesn’t serve. This includes working through denial, guilt and shame.
                                              • Mindset Transformation: Tackling what we believe to be true about ourselves, others, the world around us or the role of alcohol in our lives. Because our beliefs are so deeply seated, we assume they are true. But defaults can be unlearned.
                                              • Habit Change: Unpacking deeply established habits, which comprise as much as 40% of our day, and assessing go-to behaviors that do not serve. Habit change theory enables the adoption of new practices.
                                              • Resiliency: Drawing on resiliency as foundational, emboldening us to embrace and bolster the tools we innately have within us to sustain meaningful change.
                                              • In addition to being a sobriety coach, Amy is a certified meditation coach – which she considers a key complementary life skill. Mindfulness slows time down and allows us to recognize our thoughts as thoughts and not always truths. Like anything, it’s a practice.
                                              • Thoughts are constant. Meditation is about turning awareness to them and recognizing that we can engage or let them float by.
                                              • About Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT): A self-administered, holistic healing tool that helps us rewire our bodies, modulate our stress responses and process trauma by stimulating various acupressure points while verbalizing the issue at hand. The next time your body encounters a trigger, it will be free to respond in different (healthier) ways.
                                              • EFT, which is a self-administered technique, has proven highly effective with many disorders and has broad applications. Check out Amy’s YouTube Channel.
                                              • Normative Alcohol Culture: Parallels between how cigarettes and nicotine were once packaged as harmless, even healthy, despite all evidence to the contrary. The alcohol industry has the playbook, but so do we when it comes to creating social change!
                                              • The next time you’re asked, “Why are you not drinking?” try replying: “Why are you drinking?” It’s a logical question when you think about it.
                                              • Amy reflects on her area of specialty: the LGBTQ community and women, both groups that experience increased societal pressures and mental health issues.
                                              • It’s not accidental that alcohol companies spend millions on lobbying and advertising, but John does see a trend among younger people questioning their relationship with alcohol.
                                              • Sober Curiosity: It’s a helpful movement that offers an accessible, inclusive point of entry to questioning the role that alcohol plays and whether it’s an asset in life.
                                              • Closing Thoughts:
                                                • We all have the capacity to create something different for ourselves, regardless of what’s already happened.
                                                • It’s never too late – or too early – to make a change in your life. You don’t have to wait for the bottom to fall out.
                                                • Key Quotes

                                                  “I’ve always had within me a call to support other people and through my own experiences and struggles and knowing that there were lots of other people out there who could use the support, I wanted to be that person.” (Amy)

                                                  “The mindset piece is just to acknowledge that so much of what we experience in our worlds and in our lives is based around what we think about things and believe to be true about ourselves, other people and the role alcohol plays in our lives.” (Amy)

                                                  “A recovery coach is a great place to go to figure out what you want from your life.” (John)

                                                  “It becomes really challenging, if not impossible, to create the change you’re looking for if you’re not yet at a place where you can be deeply honest with yourself.” (Amy)

                                                  “Without the truth there is no movement, so it’s not really optional.” (Amy)

                                                  “Beliefs and thoughts are tremendously powerful. They shape our experiences, how we move through the world, our actions, our behaviors.” (Amy)

                                                  “Taking time to train the brain like you might train your body at the gym can be really helpful.” (Amy)

                                                  “It’s important in the conversation to place the blame where it lies, which is on the substance and on the people who make and sell it to us as harmless and a solution to what they perceive our issues to be.” (Amy)

                                                  “Alcohol is the problem. It’s not the individual. It’s not our fault. Yes, we are people who make choices, of course, and are responsible. But we are playing with a loaded gun – not knowing it’s a loaded gun.”  (Amy)

                                                  “Women’s drinking has been on the rise for years and nobody seems to be paying attention to it, even though it seems to be a pretty critical issue for a lot of women.” (Amy)

                                                  “With all the messaging that we’ve been inundated with for the majority of our lives, it’s very easy to take (alcohol) on as a problem or something that you’re failing at. But we need to understand the larger context that we’re all operating in and the powerful forces and influences at play.” (Amy)

                                                  Further Resources
                                                  • Check out the LifefRing
                                                  • Learn more about Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT).
                                                  • About Amy

                                                    Amy C. Willis is a Sobriety & Mindset Coach who specializes in working with women and LGTBQ+ folks who are struggling with their drinking/their relationship to alcohol, teaching them how to #LosetheBooze, sustain sobriety and create a life they don’t want to escape from. Within her coaching practice, Amy focuses on creating change at the level of habit. Habits (any behaviors that have become automated) dictate 40-95% of human behavior so by becoming aware of our habits, disrupting them, and replacing them with new, healthier habits, we are able to create lasting, sustainable change. Amy also infuses mindset work and resilience building into her work. 

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                                                    50 min
                                                  • Episode 283: About LifeRing With Casey Cannizzaro

                                                    When it comes to promoting recovery, there is liberation in knowing that it can come in all kinds of packages. On this episode of Beyond Belief Sobriety we are learning about LifeRing, a secular support group that has offered Casey Cannizzaro, a life coach, exactly the safe, flexible space he needed in order to explore not only sobriety but his identity as well. It’s an organization that advances the idea that there are as many ways to live free of illicit or non-medically indicated drugs and alcohol as there are stories of sobriety. Casey shares with Host John Sheldon the path he took and why LifeRing – with its inclusive, flexible philosophy – makes such a good fit for so many people. This conversation touches on how the program differs from AA’s more structured (and tradition-bound) approach and how pandemic has transformed the recovery landscape with new ways of connecting people evolving in their sobriety through platforms ranging from book clubs to text-only meetings to global online meetings to the forum created by The Beyond Belief Sobriety Podcast.

                                                    If you’d like to learn more about the resources that LifeRing has to offer, click here. You’ll find a wide variety of meetings as well as reading resources.

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                                                    Key Takeaways
                                                    • Acknowledging that AA has been a huge force for healing, Casey shares that his experience wasn’t the best fit. He became a seeker.
                                                    • About “motivational interviewing,” which is becoming a big part of recovery today.
                                                    • John shares his evolution away from the God-centered AA program he had worked for 25 years and towards a more secular approach. There has been a similar arc of transition over the course of the podcast, from an AA orientation to an embrace of all paths to recovery.
                                                    • Thoughts about whether recovery organizations can be nimble enough to adapt quickly to our understanding of addiction, treatment and recovery. The Big Book is 80 years old!
                                                    • How much in the forefront should words like Abstinent and Sobriety be? Do they serve the larger purpose of recovery work?
                                                    • John reflects on recovery as a process of change rather than a rigid system of words and values.
                                                    • About the many ways in which more and more people are sober curious and seeking a spectrum of support for differing definitions of recovery – which is why Casey prioritizes inclusivity and appreciates the philosophy at LifeRing.
                                                    • Important to Remember: Your journey in recovery is going to evolve and change and look different over time. And that’s okay!
                                                    • Casey shares LifeRing’s 3-S philosophy, a neutral and adaptable approach to definitions and integration of:
                                                      • Sobriety
                                                      • Secularity
                                                      • Self-Direction (or Self-Empowerment)
                                                      • LifeRing differentiator: Cross-talk is embraced as a means of support!
                                                      • A bit about the Smart Recovery program and its moderately structured approach.
                                                      • John highlights the different feel of an AA community-based meeting versus a Smart Recovery-facilitated meeting versus LifeRing
                                                      • Reasons Casey believes a surge of people inspired to explore sobriety during pandemic have found a home with LifeRing:
                                                        • Non-hierarchal.
                                                        • No sponsors.
                                                        • Open to all kinds of orientations and addictions.
                                                        • A safe space to deprogram false beliefs.
                                                        • Is “story” important at LifeRing? Not necessarily. It depends!
                                                        • The LifeRing philosophy welcomes questions and suggestions, feedback and the chance to evolve.
                                                        • How text-only and email meetings offered by LifeRing are a uniquely intimate alternative!
                                                        • Why Zoom meetings have such appeal:
                                                          • More accessible.
                                                          • A low-stakes opportunity to try recovery out.
                                                          • Global reach.
                                                          • Bottom Line: It’s a gift to be able to dip into all kinds of meetings with all kinds of formats!
                                                          • Key Quotes

                                                            “I embrace the differences and I’m so glad that I did because as I listened to (episodes of Beyond Belief Sobriety) I heard something miraculous happening, an open-mindedness and willingness to question things and that’s where it started for me.” (Casey)

                                                            “In the early years the podcast was focused on secularizing the 12 Steps. It was all about that, but gradually over time it evolved away from AA to the point where I don’t really even consider myself a member of AA but rather just a person in recovery who is interested in secular paths to recovery.” (John)

                                                            “That’s what recovery is all about. It’s never the same as long as we continue to grow.” (John)

                                                            “A lot of 12-Step ideology reminds me of the organized religion of the recovery world. And certainly some people seek that out and need it. I was not one of them.” (Casey)

                                                            “Substance abuse is really a spectrum disorder.” (John)

                                                            “(Self-empowerment) basically means that each person’s recovery can and does look different and LifeRing is encouraging of people finding their own path.” (Casey)

                                                            “That intersection where mental health intersects with substance abuse and recovery intersects with identity is a valuable one to hear.” (Casey)

                                                            “The fact that we’re able to make support and recovery available to anyone, anywhere – I love that!” (Casey)

                                                            “If the kind of support I need right now in my life doesn’t exist, let me create it. Because if I need this kind of support it’s very likely that someone else does too.” (Casey)

                                                            Additional Resources:
                                                            • About the technique known as Motivational Interviewing.
                                                            • Link for the documentary The 13th Step.
                                                            • You can donate to LifeRing here.
                                                            • Purchase books here.
                                                            • Further reading and resources here.
                                                            • Contact/follow LifeRing:

                                                              LifeRing Website

                                                              Email: Direct Link

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                                                              41 min

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                                                            The Beyond Belief Sobriety Podcast features stories of interest to people seeking a secular path to addiction recovery. We post episodes each week featuring a personal recovery story or an interview…