Douglas Lamont, CEO of Tony’s Chocolonely, joins Ryan Honeyman to discuss how Tony’s is using business to help end exploitation in the cocoa industry. Drawing on his experience at Innocent Drinks and Tony’s, Douglas shares how Mission Lock, Open Chain, and the 5 Sourcing Principles help the company protect its purpose while scaling its impact. Listen in for a practical conversation about ethical sourcing, B Corp certification, the Better Business Act, and how companies can help shift entire industries.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/tonys-chocolonely-mission-lock-open-chain-b-corps-w/-douglas-lamont

What does it mean for a company to respect human rights, and how can the new B Corp standards help companies focus on the places where they may be causing or contributing to harm? Social impact specialist Bernard Gouw joins Ryan Honeyman to unpack the Human Rights topic in the new B Corp standards, including human rights due diligence, salient human rights issues, supply chains, procurement, client screening, and the limits of social audits. This conversation helps B Corps understand how to move beyond policy language and begin building the systems, processes, and judgment needed to take human rights seriously.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/v2-standards-human-rights-w/-bernard-gouw

In this episode of Beyond the B, Andy Schmidt guest hosts a conversation with Ryan Honeyman and Amy Bourbeau on the 20-year evolution of the B Corp movement. They reflect on what the movement has gained as it has grown from a small community of early adopters into a global network of more than 10,000 companies, and what has become harder to preserve along the way. Together, they explore the new B Corp standards, the tension between keeping a big tent and holding a high bar, and what the next 20 years may require from B Corps around the world.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/the-b-corp-movement-at-20-what-weve-gained-lost-and-still-need-to-build-w/-amy-bourbeau-andy-schmidt

Eric Ries, creator of The Lean Startup and author of Incorruptible, joins Ryan Honeyman for a conversation about why B Corp certification and benefit corporation status are no longer enough to protect a company’s mission over time. Drawing from both mainstream tech and business worlds and purpose-driven examples like Patagonia, Tony’s Chocolonely, and Mondragon, Eric explores how financial pressure, governance defaults, and ownership structures can pull even good companies off course. Together, they discuss what B Corps can do to design companies that remain accountable to stakeholders for 50, 100, or even more years into the future.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/how-b-corps-become-incorruptible-w/-eric-ries

What happens when a values-driven business movement tries to scale without losing its soul? In this episode, Ryan and Emmy speak with Todd Schifeling and Suntae Kim about their research (and article in the Harvard Business Review) about the “paradox” at the heart of the B Corp movement—balancing growth with authenticity. They explore why this tension is unavoidable, how B Lab has navigated it so far, and what it means for the future of the movement.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/the-paradox-at-the-heart-of-b-corps-w/-todd-schifeling-suntae-kim

The B Corp movement stands at a critical inflection point, with growing urgency to move beyond certification and toward true systems change in business and society. Marcello Palazzi, civic economist, entrepreneur, and co-founder of B Lab Europe, joins Ryan Honeyman to reflect on the evolution of the B Corp movement and what it will take to realize its original ambitions.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/can-b-corps-still-change-the-system-w/-marcello-palazzi

Ryan Honeyman and Emmy Allison speak with Corey Lien about the original promise of the B Corp movement, what it meant to build B Lab Taiwan in the early days, and why the movement now feels more fragmented and uncertain. Corey reflects on authenticity, interdependence, and the tension between certification as a tool and movement as the larger purpose. Together, they explore whether this is a moment for reinvention or a return to the deeper “why” that first animated business as a force for good.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/reclaiming-the-why-behind-b-corp-w/-corey-lien

Ryan Honeyman and Emmy Allison speak with Rooney Castle, President and CEO of Rhino Foods, about what it actually means to lead in a way that reflects an organization's values. Rooney shares how Rhino Foods has built a culture you can feel from the moment you walk through the door, through consistent small gestures, deep proximity to employees across all shifts, and a commitment to shared responsibility rather than centralized authority. The conversation explores how living your values is less about charisma or positional power and more about showing up consistently, listening carefully, and using whatever influence you have to elevate the voices of others.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/beyond-certification-what-living-b-corp-values-actually-looks-like-w/-rooney-castle

Ready or not, a new B Corp era has begun. Former B Lab standards analyst Jeffrey Stewart joins us to unpack what Version 2 means in practice. We discuss AI-enabled audits, mandatory documentation, digital audit platforms, major versus minor nonconformities, the shift to a five-year certification cycle, and more. If your company is preparing for recertification or trying to understand how European regulation and third-party auditors are reshaping the movement, this conversation provides expert insight.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/ready-or-not-a-new-b-corp-era-begins-w/-jeffrey-stewart

In this resurfaced 2019 conversation, Ryan Honeyman speaks with Vincent Stanley, Director of Philosophy at Patagonia, about what it really takes to operationalize values at scale. The discussion covers KPIs, pricing, materials, fair trade labor, transparency, repair, and the internal systems Patagonia uses to stay accountable as it grows. Vincent also explains how Patagonia’s benefit corporation structure, reporting tools, and employee practices translate purpose into day-to-day decisions.

View the show notes: https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/patagonia-case-study-4-of-4-operations