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Leading people to discover and fully own their faith in Jesus. That is the mission of Central Christian Church, led by Pastor Cal Jernigan based in Mesa, Arizona with multiple locations throughout Arizona.

We are a community of grace and forgiveness where everyone is allowed, encouraged, and expected to be authentic. This is a safe and practical place to come as you are and grow in your faith, but this is also a place where complacency is challenged.

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When an opportunity comes to expand your understanding of the world, do you take it? Even if it means learning some painful truths? 

Today on the podcast we have two wonderful leaders from Central’s staff joining us to talk about a recent trip they took to the south. This trip wasn’t for pleasure or for relaxation, it was to learn about the awful truths of slavery in our country and how the effects of slavery are still being felt by our brothers and sisters of color. 

We talk about the value of having our eyes opened to realities of America’s past and it’s present so that perhaps we can have a hand in making its future better for all. 

Show Notes: 

Amplify Peace: https://amplifypeace.com/

How can we better listen to and love our Muslim neighbors? It all begins with getting to know them as people and hearing their stories. Today on the podcast, we have A delightful conversation with Imam Didmar Faja. An Imam is a Muslim religious leader and teacher. 

In our conversation with Imam Didmar we get an amazing opportunity to hear his perspective on September 11th and how his Muslim community was affected. We also get to understand better some of the similarities Christians share with the Islamic faith. 

Though Christians and Muslims may not agree with each other on every level when it comes to theology, there is great opportunity for us to live with mutual respect and love for one another. I can’t wait for you to hear today’s podcast and perhaps learn a new perspective. 

What happens when survival is all you can think about and when the education you have been given doesn’t allow you to consider all of the options available to you? Sometimes people make bad decision because of the terrible situations they are born in. 

Today on the podcast we have Dwight Crocker. Dwight is one of the pastors on our church’s staff and he has an incredible story to share with us. Find out how poverty in his mother’s life led her to have a warrant out for her arrest because she couldn’t pay the parking tickets she accrued. 

Dwight talks about how he considered as a young teenager selling drugs so that he wouldn’t lose his mother to prison. Today we learn the importance of hearing everyone’s story even when they’ve made bad decisions. 

Show Notes:

2Pac - Changes : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvBjCO19QY  

YouTube (so you can see Dwight’s great shirt): https://youtu.be/D8-TUAPJEDc 

Homelessness continues to rise in the United States. How can we better love our sisters and brothers who have hit rock bottom and are living on the streets? 

Four years ago you could have found Justin drunk and on the streets of Phoenix, but today he is the founder of several business including a non-profit. He has created an organization that is designed to help others like him find hope in the midst of their darkness on the streets. Join us today as we hear his powerful story and learn a little of what we can do to help our neighbors who have nowhere to call home. 

Show Notes: 

Acts Homeless Ministry at Central: https://www.centralaz.com/ACTS 
Justin’s Non-Profit: https://luke1517.com 

When is Evangelism Harmful?  How have Christians missed the mark in how they share the good news?  Where do we need to apologize for our bad behavior and how can we change in order to love better? 

For this special Easter episode of Beyond the Lines we have Tom Kopp on the podcast to talk about the good news. Tom Kopp is a pastor at Central and a guy who loves evangelism but maybe not the evangelism you were taught. We can't wait for you to hear this episode of Beyond the Lines!

What is Christian Deconstruction and should we fear it? Deconstruction has become a buzz word over the last year in the Christian community so we wanted to have a conversation about what it is and how we can love those who might be experiencing it. 

Maybe you're deconstructing your faith right now, we may have some helpful insights for you as well, but please don’t take my word for it. Listen to the podcast today and decide for yourself as you figure out your own journey with Jesus. 

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How do we better listen to indigenous people and learn more about God in the process? Today on the podcast we are discussing a fantastic speech from Native American Theologian Richard Twiss.

We talk about how native people have been excluded from the theological conversation in church history and how we can start changing that. We all miss out on when we choose to dismiss other people’s understanding of God because it seems weird to us. We discuss how this could be because in our pride we have subjugated God into a theological box. 

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Show Notes: 

Richard Twiss’ Teaching: https://youtu.be/llTBf_IVc8U 
Sundusts’ Podcast:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-kCWfuVU5I&t=1s 

How can Christians do a better job of building relationships with Jews and Muslims?  Today on the podcast we have Josh Prather who is the pastor of Pioneering at Redemption Church in Phoenix. 

We talk about how Christians can learn a lot from visiting a Mosque or a Synagogue. We talk how those of us in the west need to start seeking out and listening to our sisters and brothers from the global church. Also, what does this all have to do with learning to choose suffering in our everyday lives? You’ll find all of this more in today’s podcast with Josh Prather! 

Show Notes:
Josh Prather’s Email: [email protected]

Deaf people can do everything those with hearing can do except hear. Where have we failed to love the deaf community and what can we learn from them about how to view our world? Today on the podcast we have two incredible guests in Hailey and Julia. Hailey has been deaf her entire life and has faced some challenges because of that. Julia is her mother and has been Hailey’s faithful advocate when hearing people choose not to listen. 

We talk about stereotypes that have been perpetuated in culture about the deaf community. We talk about some of the challenges that the deaf face in getting the services they need. We also get to hear some fantastic perspective from the Bible about being deaf.  

We can’t wait for you to hear all of this and more in this special episode of listening to the deaf. 

Hailey's Video Podcast: https://youtu.be/VV-KXPhVFmM 

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Show Notes: 
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Arizona Center for Deaf andHhard of Hearing About ACDHH: https://www.acdhh.org/about-the-commission/

Valley Center for the Deaf https://vcdaz.org/#navigation

Detour Company Theatre (an inclusive theatre company) www.detourcompanytheatre.org

Arizona Center For Disability Law Arizona Center for Disability Law https://www.azdisabilitylaw.org/

Tucson & Phoenix, AZ Gallaudet University https://www.gallaudet.edu/
Deaf Movies: https://www.amazon.com/Deaf-Movies/s?k=Deaf+Movies

Books: 
“For Hearing People Only” by Matthew Moore & Linda Levitan
“Train Go Sorry” by Marlee Matlin