Beyond the Resume

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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we bring you another edition of our webinar series. Join Chris Papa and Kristin Niver as they lead an urgent discussion on the future of affordable housing in Washington, D.C. The expert panelists unpack the economic, political, and social factors shaping the city’s housing landscape.

Panelists Mitch Crispell (True Ground Housing Partners), Ed Delany (Capital One), Kimberly Driggins (Washington Housing Conservancy), Chris Marshall (The NRP Group), and Kate Owens (Jair Lynch RE Partners) examine the ripple effects of rent delinquency, eviction backlogs, and the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act (TOPA). Together, they explore how policymakers and developers can balance tenant protections with financial sustainability—while keeping the city’s housing stock intact.

This is a must-listen for developers, lenders, policymakers, and advocates navigating post-pandemic housing challenges in the nation’s capital.

Chapters

(04:35) The Fallout from the 2025 Rental Act

An overview of how the Rental Act emerged as a response to economic vacancy, rent delinquency, and strained landlord-tenant relations in D.C.

(10:12) The Billion-Dollar Problem: Rent Delinquencies

Kimberly Driggins and Kate Owens discuss over $1 billion in lost rent since the pandemic, how emergency-era tenant protections persisted too long, and their destabilizing effects on affordable housing providers.

(18:40) The Ripple Effect on Building Maintenance & Operations

Panelists explain how sustained delinquencies have made it difficult to maintain buildings, pay mortgages, and keep affordable units habitable—creating a vicious cycle of disrepair and nonpayment.

(26:58) Financing Fallout: The Lender’s Perspective

Capital One’s Ed Delany reveals how rising vacancies and thin margins are forcing lenders to step back from D.C. investments, chilling multifamily development across the city.

(36:25) Eviction Backlogs & the ERAP Program

A deep dive into D.C.’s eviction crisis—why court delays stretch up to 24 months, how federal judicial vacancies compound the issue, and whether new protective order requirements under the Rental Act can help.

(46:02) Lessons from Virginia’s Approach

Mitch Crispell contrasts D.C.’s dysfunction with Virginia’s more efficient systems, including resident services, consistent rental assistance, and functioning courts—keeping evictions below 2%.

(52:10) Investor Confidence & Regional Shifts

Kate Owens and Ed Delany describe a migration of investor capital from D.C. to Maryland and Virginia as developers seek more predictable outcomes and faster lease-ups.

(58:30) Understanding TOPA: Tenant Rights vs. Development Realities

Panelists unpack the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act, exploring its origins, intentions, and unintended consequences for preservation and new construction.

(1:10:22) Policy Wins & What’s Next

Kate Owens and Kimberly Driggins reflect on the coalition that made the Rental Act possible and the ongoing need to refine eviction timelines, clarify tenant association rules, and modernize the courts.

(1:20:40) Road to Recovery: A Path Forward

Audience Q&A explores how to fix D.C.’s eviction bottlenecks, fill judicial vacancies, and restore investor trust in the market. Panelists close with ideas for keeping housing both affordable and financially viable.

Links

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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Matt Sullivan, Chief Operating Officer at The Michaels Organization, one of the nation’s largest privately held owners and operators of affordable housing. Matt shares his personal journey from studying politics at Princeton to leading a company with more than 80,000 units across 39 states, all while staying true to Michaels’ vision of creating communities that lift lives.

Along the way, Matt discusses the future of real estate, the challenges of building affordable housing, and how leadership grounded in purpose can change lives.

Chapters:

(01:00) Inside The Michaels Organization

Matt shares the company’s history, its four asset classes (affordable, military, student, and multifamily housing), and how Michaels continues to grow responsibly with a $4 billion pipeline.

(03:10) From Princeton to Real Estate

Matt reflects on his path from politics to real estate, how a liberal arts education shaped his problem-solving skills, and why he believes in intellectual curiosity.

(07:30) Career Lessons & Leadership Philosophy

Matt explains the role of a COO, the importance of strategy and guardrails, and why putting people in positions where they can succeed is his most important leadership lesson.

(11:00) Technology & the Future of Housing

How Michaels is using AI, clean energy solutions, and insurance innovations to improve operations and resilience across its 80,000-unit portfolio.

(14:45) Scholarships & Community Impact

Matt highlights the Michaels Educational Foundation, which has awarded over $19 million in scholarships since 1991, helping residents—including many first-generation students—pursue higher education and trade schools.

(17:00) Transforming Camden, NJ

Stories of revitalization, homelessness initiatives, and partnerships with local health providers that are reshaping Camden into a city of opportunity.

(21:15) Favorite Book & Big Projects

Matt shares how The Real Estate Game influenced his career and discusses a groundbreaking Army barracks privatization project at Fort Irwin, California.

(25:00) Recruiting & What Makes a Great Employee

What Matt looks for when hiring, why curiosity matters more than credentials, and the role of brain teasers in his interviews.

(27:40) Mentors & Final Reflections

Matt honors his father, mentors at Michaels, and the importance of surrounding yourself with people who support your growth.

Links

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Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/matt-sullivan

In this episode, we sit down with Brian J. Fishback, Director at Red Stone Equity Partners, to explore how alternative investments are shaping the future of affordable housing. Brian breaks down Red Stone’s $12 billion track record in real estate investment management, the company’s growing focus on preservation housing, and why affordable housing remains one of the biggest challenges in today’s market.

He also shares his personal journey — from a collegiate soccer career and public accounting to leading investment strategies at Red Stone — offering unique insights into career development, teamwork, and the value of strong mentorship. Along the way, Brian reflects on the role of opportunity zones, the impact of rising housing costs, and how private capital can serve the public good.

Whether you’re interested in real estate careers, affordable housing policy, or the evolving landscape of alternative investments, this conversation delivers actionable takeaways and inspiration.

Chapters:

(01:33) – Red Stone Equity Partners Overview

(04:12) – Affordable Housing & Preservation Strategies

(06:59) – Career Path & Skills for Success

(09:38) – Accountants in Real Estate Careers

(12:33) – Transitioning from Public Accounting to Red Stone

(15:17) – Opportunity Zones & Investment Potential

(17:56) – Teamwork and Mentorship in Professional Growth

(20:48) – Growth & Future of Red Stone

(23:44) – Personal Insights & Recommendations

(26:16) – Memorable Deals & Entrepreneurial Spirit

(29:12) – Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks

Links

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Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/brian-fishback

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How does a history major from New Jersey end up transforming housing for farm workers in California’s San Joaquin Valley? In this episode, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Tom Collishaw, President & CEO of Self-Help Enterprises, a nonprofit that has pioneered affordable housing solutions since 1965.

Tom shares his 43-year journey from a VISTA volunteer digging fence posts to leading one of the nation’s most respected community development organizations. He explains the mutual self-help housing model where families build homes together, the role of water infrastructure in creating livable communities, and the challenges posed by political shifts and immigration fears. Along the way, Tom highlights the importance of mentorship, trust, and reputation in nonprofit leadership — and why he still believes in the resilience of communities to overcome today’s housing crisis.

Chapters

(02:15) The Mutual Self-Help Housing Model Explained

(06:50) From New Jersey to California: Tom’s VISTA Journey

(10:40) Learning Affordable Housing on the Job

(14:20) Weathering Political Shifts in Housing Policy

(18:35) Community Trauma, Immigration, and Housing Access

(22:45) Water, Infrastructure, and Rural Development Challenges

(27:30) The Lofts at Fort Visalia Project

(33:40) Mission-Driven Leadership and Mentorship Lessons

(38:45) Reputation, Resilience, and Looking Ahead

Links

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Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/tom-collishaw

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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Richard Ross, CEO of Quinn Residences, to explore the rise of purpose-built single-family rental communities and what it takes to scale a real estate company from the ground up. Richard shares his journey from accounting to real estate leadership, how Quinn integrates sustainability and technology into its homes, and why culture and language—like calling residents “residents,” not tenants matters for long-term success.

Richard also opens up about leadership lessons, his yoga practice, and even the origin of Quinn’s name — which traces back to Gladiator and Roman history. From handling industry challenges like trespassing scams to shaping the future of housing demand, this episode is packed with insights for anyone interested in real estate, leadership, and building purpose-driven companies.

Chapters

(03:18) From the Great Recession to today: why build-to-rent has exploded

(05:42) Who rents these homes? Millennials, families, and empty nesters

(07:31) Sustainability in action: solar, flooring, leak detection, and smart tech

(10:38) Building efficient operations: Quinn’s hub-and-spoke model

(12:16) Company culture: why they say “residents” instead of “tenants”

(13:44) Tackling trespassing and scams with technology and legislation

(17:07) Richard’s path from accounting to real estate leadership

(22:44) What a CEO really does: people, strategy, and letting go of control

(31:20) Why Quinn is named after a Roman general in Gladiator

Links

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Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/richard-ross

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On this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker welcome Peter DiCorpo, co-founder of Brook Farm Group, for a candid conversation about his journey from auditor at Arthur Andersen to building a multifamily development company during one of the most challenging real estate markets in decades.

Peter shares how deep friendships, trust, and complementary skillsets fueled the launch of Brook Farm Group during COVID, and how the firm has already delivered projects in Georgia and Florida despite market headwinds. He reflects on the lessons from working at global institutions like AIG and CBRE, the freedom and speed of entrepreneurship, and why capital raising requires persistence, honesty, and long-term relationships.

Listeners will hear Peter’s framework for career growth, his philosophy on hiring for character, and his take on how AI will reshape the industry. He also shares a memorable story about the “deal that got away” — and why sometimes the best investment is the one you don’t make.

Packed with practical insights, timeless advice, and personal stories (including his father’s influence as an Italian immigrant who modeled grit and work ethic), this episode is a masterclass in resilience, leadership, and building a career with integrity.

Chapters

(02:12) From Math Major to Arthur Andersen

(05:38) Business School & Breaking into Real Estate

(09:11) Launching Brook Farm Group During COVID

(13:18) First Projects in Georgia & Florida

(16:48) Institutional vs. Entrepreneurial Lessons

(20:22) Career Advice: Learn, Focus, Build

(26:09) The Challenge of Capital Raising

(33:37) AI’s Impact on Real Estate

(39:52) Memorable Deals & Lessons Learned

(43:23) Hiring for Character & Cultural Fit

(45:56) Mentors, Mistakes & A Father’s Work Ethic

Links

YouTube: https://youtu.be/VlYaLxptAlw

Spotify: https://bit.ly/4oUQ62r

Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/peter-dicorpo

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In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Brian Murray, Co-Founder and Principal of Shift Capital, to explore how impact real estate is reshaping Philadelphia’s neighborhoods.

Brian shares his journey as a community-focused developer, and how Shift Capital is tackling challenges like affordable housing, equitable development, and community displacement.

This conversation dives into the realities of building healthy, inclusive neighborhoods, the economics of mission-driven development, and the importance of aligning capital with purpose. Whether you’re interested in urban revitalization, impact investing, or the future of housing in Philadelphia, this episode delivers insights you won’t want to miss.

Chapters:

(01:34) What is Shift Capital?

(06:14) Core challenges in real estate development

(09:53) Knocking on doors & community engagement

(15:52) From accounting to impact real estate

(19:52) Rethinking economics in underserved neighborhoods

(23:27) Why Shift Capital is vertically integrated

(25:37) Expansion beyond Philadelphia?

(26:34) The Hot Seat: Brian’s rapid-fire insights

Brian Murray is the Co-Founder of Shift Capital, a nationally recognized impact urban real estate group investing in underserved communities. With a background spanning accounting, tech start-ups, the Peace Corps, and an MBA from Yale, Brian brings a unique perspective on using real estate as a tool for social impact. He is also co-founder of the Arete Youth Foundation and an advocate for equitable development and opportunity creation.

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Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/summer-murray

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In this Summer Series episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Kent Colton, President of the Colton Housing Group and one of the most respected voices in U.S. housing policy. With over 30 years of leadership experience at organizations like the National Association of Home Builders, Freddie Mac, and the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies, Kent brings unmatched insight into today’s housing challenges.

Kent and Chris discuss:

• The Ivory Prize for Housing Affordability and how it’s fueling housing innovation

• Breakthroughs in factory-built housing and modular construction

• The role of zoning reform and regulatory barriers in today’s housing shortage

• Innovative financing tools like Rhino and rent-to-own models that are reshaping homeownership

• Lessons from the “good old days” of post-WWII housing to today’s affordability crisis

• What policymakers, communities, and innovators can do to close the housing gap

From history to innovation, Kent offers both a big-picture perspective and practical examples of what’s working on the ground to make housing more affordable.

If you care about housing policy, affordability, and innovation, this episode is a must-listen.

Timestamps

(02:10) The Ivory Prize for Housing Affordability

(05:13) Breaking down regulatory barriers

(07:06) Factory-built housing and modular design

(11:30) Making housing work for renters

(13:02) Rent-to-own with Home Partners of America

(15:52) Housing shortages and market trends

(21:08) Real divisions and racial homeownership gaps

(24:00) The “good old days” after WWII

(29:57) The government’s role in housing affordability

(31:55) What you can do in your own community

(35:22) The Hot Seat

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Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/summer-colton

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In this episode of Beyond the Resume, the Summer Series, we bring back the conversation with Jeff Brenner, President & CEO of Impact Community Capital and explore his 30-year journey in affordable housing and impact investing.

Jeff shares how a “two-year plan” at a nonprofit turned into a lifelong mission—combining finance expertise with a passion for social impact. You’ll hear insights on:

• Building a $2B investment portfolio benefiting low-income communities

• Financing affordable housing in 42 states and over 42,000 units

• Measuring social impact beyond numbers

• Why diversity in leadership drives better decision-making

• Opening the door for new investors in the ESG & socially responsible investing space

• Career advice for breaking into impact real estate and community development finance

Chapters

(01:20) What is Impact Community Capital?

(03:00) The “secret sauce” in affordable housing

(06:03) Driving positive change in communities

(09:28) Investments backed by real estate

(11:25) How Impact has evolved

(20:50) Measuring social impact

(24:26) Building a diverse team & broad perspectives

(27:28) The Hot Seat with Jeff Brenner

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Links

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Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/summer-brenner

In this Summer Series throwback of Beyond the Resume, we revisit a powerful conversation with Marie Murphy, Principal and CEO of MJD Capital Partners, a full-service development and management firm based in San Francisco.

Marie opens up about her untraditional path into real estate—starting in pharmaceutical sales, pivoting into residential brokerage, and eventually founding her own investment firm. She now oversees a 50+ person team and manages a portfolio focused on value-add multifamily housing in key West Coast markets.

If you're exploring how to scale in real estate, break into institutional deals, or lead with purpose in a male-dominated field, this episode is essential listening.

Chapters:

[0:03:47] From Pharma Sales to Real Estate

Marie shares how a background in sales prepared her for a successful leap into residential real estate.

[0:09:34] Learning by Doing (and Failing)

After being turned away from brokerage firms, Marie found opportunity in a family office and used it to build her investment acumen.

[0:11:41] Starting Her Own Firm from Scratch

With no outside backing, Marie bootstrapped her first deals, learned every role in the business, and slowly scaled MJD Capital Partners.

[0:14:12] Investment Strategy: Value-Add Multifamily

Marie explains her focus on workforce housing in markets like Sacramento and Reno—and why timing and local insight are critical.

[0:18:29] Breaking into New Markets

Strategic hiring, partnerships, and on-the-ground credibility helped Marie gain traction in tight-knit markets like Reno.

[0:22:02] Balancing Motherhood and Leadership

Marie reflects on the real sacrifices of being a single mom and CEO—and how she wants her daughters to see her journey.

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Links

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Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

Web: https://www.jacksonlucas.com/podcast/marie-murphy-summer