In this segment, Beyond the Scope, we speak to pathologists about their pursuits and interests outside of pathology. How can pathologists "get out of the basement"? How can getting IN the basement be a good thing? What does being a Chair have to do with camels? How can YOU help shape the next edition of the Paris System? On this episode of Beyond the Scope, Dr. Sara Jiang (@Sara_Jiang) speaks with Dr. Eva_Wojcik (@Eva_Wojcik), Chair of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine at Loyola University in Chicago, Past President, American Society of Cytopathology, and Founding Chair of the Paris System for Reporting Urinary Cytopathology.