Beyond the Vapor with Robert Stark

Robert Stark and UK based blogger, John Arcto (formerly Anglo-Futurist) articulate a post-dissident, culturally oriented stance that has moved beyond conventional right-wing politics. Subscribe to his new Substack.

Topics:

–The reasons behind Why John deleted his old Substack, “Anglofuturist”–How John’s views have evolved over the past few years, including his shift away from politics toward culture and philosophy-Why John believes “Blue America” is actually worse about cancel culture than Britain-How John’s earlier cancellation by the Left, led him to become performatively extreme, despite not being rightwing-Robert’s contrasting political trajectory-How the alt-right mirrored the left as a Brahmin-Dalit alliance against the Vaishya (mainstream) right-John’s falling out with Walt Bismarck and Walt’s focus on status-Robert’s book Journey to Vapor Island as “authentically Robert Stark”—offensive on every level (Taxi Driver meets Clueless, devolving into Naked Lunch or David Lynch)-How John’s moral signaling against Robert’s fetish postings was performative-The problem with feminism: that women are power bottoms-How immigration policy in the UK was worse under the Tories because their backers were the wealthy and boomers-The need for a Danish Social Democrat-style approach that combines social democracy with immigration restriction-How American online-right “slop” about civil war in the UK is often driven by Zionism-The UK’s gradual decline and the shared sense of political malaise on both left and right-How the 2010s were analogous to the 1960s and the 2020s to the 1970s-How “anti-woke” has become a meaningless conservative wedge issueJohn’s review of Backrooms contrasted with Robert’s mall-world article, and broader theme of liminal spaces-Why John has turned to Christianity, partly for cultural reasons, describing himself as a monist critical rationalist (metaphysically realist but morally anti-realist and universalist)John’s review of Plotinus’s The Enneads and why he prefers the term “Plotinusism” instead of Neoplatonism-Robert’s critique of Christians who combine blank-slatism with eternal damnation, and his preference for an HBD-inspired theosophy-Why John rejects theurgy as occult magicWhy John is a non-dualist about consciousness and identifies as a cosmopsychist-John’s advocacy for sovereign polyarchic, pan-Westernism and its similarities to ethnopluralism and the Holy Roman Empire-Why John is hostile to the concept of natural rights, viewing them as fundamentally authoritarian-Why moral and social issues are better handled at the local level and adjusted for diversity-Robert’s experience living in England in 2002-Robert’s observation that, unlike New York City, movies and pictures fail to capture London’s unique vibe-The Cool Britannia era, the 2000s show Skins, and why Tony Blair was “the dodgiest guy ever”-Why there is nothing more liberating than accepting that it is too late regarding White demographic decline-The total failure of Trump and right-wing politics overall-How both America and the UK were never truly cohesive nations-How Anglos made a Faustian bargain to become a global culture while losing their own distinct identity-Americans’ and Europeans’ lack of a deep understanding akin to Rome and Greece-Why the ideal healthcare model would resemble Australia’s: public funding with private doctors-How America’s class system is uniquely nasty because it pretends to be purely meritocratic-Why John does not believe in equality of opportunity and instead prefers security for all classes-How blank-slatism is used to justify income inequality-How England has greater genetic differences by class, which makes nationalism difficult-How America’s WASP elite were absolute traitors, worse than the British aristocracy-“Cher Horowitz is an American aristocrat”-Why John hates dominant alpha men-How both the right and the left end up screwing over autistic men-How John pronounces the term “massage” and why he thinks Robert’s love of ASMR head massage content is homoerotic

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Robert Stark speaks with German journalist and author, Constantin von Hoffmeister, about the geopolitics of the Iran War. Constantin is director of the online publishing house, Multipolar Press, and has worked as an author, journalist, translator, editor, and business trainer in the United States, India, Uzbekistan, and Russia. Constantin has a new book out, The Fate of White America. Follow him on X and subscribe to his Substack, Eurosiberia. (update: this podcast was recorded last week during the ceasefire and the war is escalating again today)

Topics:

-The case that the Iran war was for Israel and whether antisemitic narratives deny Trump culpability-How Trump did not even bother with a propaganda campaign for the war-How the US attack was entirely unprovoked, which along with attacks on Iranian civilians, discredits the Trump admin-How Israel wants Iran totally destroyed rather than regime change-Why Iran is rational for seeking nuclear armament, and how mutual self-destruction maintains peace-How Iran is a civilizational state unlike Arab or Latin American nations-Contrasting the failed Iran war with Trump’s successful invasion of Venezuela-How ironically this war would be less likely under an establishment president-The absurdity of Trump’s statements and lack of any coherent plans-How Trump admitted to arming protesters to get protesters harmed rather than regime change-The violation of the reciprocity principle in bombing anti-regime Iranians and why Constantin is skeptical of any large-scale opposition to the government, even before the war-The pro-Shah, pro-Israel demonstrations among the Iranian diaspora-Why Constantin considers the term “regime” to be propaganda-How the US is desperately failing to prevent a multipolar order which this war is ushering in–Prof. Robert Pape on the escalation trap in which Iran has gained the upper hand by controlling the Strait of Hormuz -How long can the status quo of a stalemate with a blockade of the Strait last?-How this war exposes America as a paper tiger-War rhetoric as market manipulation to save the stock market and keep petrol prices down-The impacts of rising petrol prices on geopolitics and the global economy-How a fertilizer shortage will cause a global famine that will cause a massive refugee crisis into Europe–Nigeria now has more births than all of Europe, including Russia-Trump’s immigration policy of performative cruelty without deporting that many people-How America will shift from being a world power to a regional power in the Western Hemisphere-The Russia/Ukraine war; Russia as the aggressor from the non-aggression principle vs the argument that Russia’s geopolitical sphere was threatened-Revisiting the past when Iran offered an olive branch to the US after 9/11-How Obama’s Iran nuclear deal was successful, which Trump ripped up, discrediting diplomatic trust in the US-How the war squanders any of Trump’s positive policy accomplishments and discredits nationalism and the Right-Would we be better off if Kamala were president?-Why Robert thinks that automation will reverse immigration to America in the long term, though not for Europe-The impact of Trump and the war on Europe’s politics, and how Germany’s AFD is successfully distancing themselves from Trump-An accelerationist case in favor of Trump weakening American imperialism and ending the American establishment’s soft power-How radical Islam is primarily a Sunni, not Shia, problem (eg. Sunni extremist iconoclasm)-How Islamophobia detracts from the culpability of Western elites-Michel Houellebecq’s prophetic novel, Submission, about an Islamic takeover of France, which is ambiguous about whether that is a good or bad thing-How remigration is unworkable and ethnopluralism as an alternative-The Indo-Aryan connection between Iranians and Europeans, and remnants of pre-Islamic paganism in Iran-How Israel was semi sane when it was more Ashkenazi, thus closer to Europe, and how it is just becoming another Middle Eastern country-Whether Zionism could have worked if it didn’t embrace imperialism

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Robert Stark speaks with New Zealand based author, Vincent Jamie McLeod of VJM Publishing about his religion, Elementalism, and ideology of alt-centrism. Vincent has a psychology degree from the University of Canterbury, is the author of numerous books including, Elemental Elementalism: The holy scripture of the religion of the Age of Aquarius, and has an upcoming book, The Alternative Centrism Manifesto that deals with issues like health, education, justice, and defense, which will be released in 2 years. Follow Vincent on Twitter.

Topics:-How the term “massage” is pronounced in New Zealand-How Vincent got into the occult due to becoming disillusioned with psychology-How consciousness and the Divine are one and thus perfect-How the meaning of life is entertaining the Gods and overcoming ignorance-Near death experiences and Dr. Jeffrey Long’s research -How NDE’s are similar to DMT trips-How this world is a downward emanation or dream of the Divine-How the Elementalist principle of entertaining the Gods overlaps with mainstream morality against unnecessary cruelty-How Elementalist morality is more subjective than Abrahamic (eg. violence against an invader is morally sanctioned)-A total rejection of atheist materialism, nihilism, and Abrahamic moral authoritarianism-How Alt-Centrism is downstream from Elementalism-Why Vincent rejects the notion that human nature is inherently flawed or sinful-How the new Alt-Center ideology will have to address AI and automation-How Alt-centrism fills the vacuum of the flawed existing 5 ideologies of the establishment and dissident lefts and rights, and the establishment center-How Alt-Centrism takes and rejects aspects from all these ideologies (eg. establishment center is right about finding peace over endless conflict)-How leftists operate under Abrahamic moral authoritarianism-How to find balance between order, which leads to authoritarianism, and libertinism which leads to degeneracy-Vincent’s support for Plato’s ideal of the philosopher king with support from the warrior caste while merchants and proles should be kept out of politics-In contrast with hyper masculine Alt-Right and feminine Left, the Alt-Center supports an embrace of all gender archetypes-How the Alt-Right is correct in its critique of the current system but comes short at offering solutions-How the entire racial dichotomy from extreme ethnocentrism of right, colorblindness of center, and wokeness of left have failed-How a proper approach to race starts with acknowledging observable realities-Why k-selected peoples are more appreciative of beauty over utilitarianism-Contrasting the Theosophical and Elementalist spiritual approach with the more materialist approach of human bio diversity-Why politics exists because God dreams up everything as entertainment, which is what people want from politics-How our low trust society is caused by materialism and rejecting the spiritual-How pure consciousness is bliss and depression and anxiety can come from identifying with the physical-How psychedelics introduced Vincent to spirituality-How Elementalism is similar and different from Robert’s new religion of Cosmoplatonism

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Robert Stark and Matt Pegas speak with Lee Scriver about his novel Casinolabs, which is a psychological thriller set in Las Vegas. Casinolabs is published by Imperium Press and is also available on Amazon. Also, check out Robert’s review of Casinolabs. Lee is a former adjunct professor at UNLV, is known for his satirical avant-garde arts manifestos, and is the author of Becoming Insomniac. Subscribe to Lee on substack and check out his Youtube channel.

Topics:

-How Lee found artistic success in London including performing at the Tate Britain-Whether Americans are philistines about culture-How Lee ended up sharing a dressing room with Yoko Ono in London-How Lee’s upbringing in Vegas inspired Casinolabs-Lee’s dad, who dealt with the darker underbelly of Vegas as a crisis counselor-Why explicitly rightwing art fails-How literary agents filter out people on identity issues–The Las Vegas Review Journal’s review that compared Casinolabs to the show Severance-Contrasting GenX alienation in Casinolabs and Bret Easton Ellis’s work with the millennial/zoomer incel trope in Robert’s novel Vaporfornia and Matt’s novel Dragon Day-How Casinolabs is fundamentally a critique of atomization, the breakdown of families, and a lack of meaning crisis-The parallels between the Casinolabs casino design firm deconstructing Vegas history and the protagonist Morton getting his brain fried-Why Casinolabs only partially veers into magical realism-The labyrinths in Casinolabs and Vaporfornia as the backrooms-Philosophical questions about fate vs random coincidences-Lee’s early job at Caesars Palace-Finding deeper meaning out of post modernist themed casinos in Vegas-Minimalist renovations that erase Vegas’s limited cultural inheritance-The symbolism of the Vegas Sphere as a giant phone screen that is malleable-Contrasting today’s Vegas with the older stage of capitalism where every man was a king-Is Vegas dying?–Woke inspired minimalist renovations–Vegas and Disneyland as Baudrillard’s simulacrum-Planned suburbia as the counterpart to the Vegas strip-Robert and Matt visiting Mount Charleston recently-How the overstimulation of Vegas drove Lee to asceticism-Lee’s paganism and thoughts on the pagan professor Wallingford in Matt’s Dragon Day

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Robert Stark is interviewed as a simulcast by Jin the Ninja for his podcast, Threshold Saints, about his new religion, Cosmoplatonism. Jin the Ninja is a Tantric Buddhist and you can follow him on Twitter/X.

Topics:

–Robert and Matt Pegas’s podcast about starting a new religion from a couple years back

-The esoteric significance of Zelda’s Triforce

-How Theosophy is legit but there is a spiritual hierarchy among faiths

–Theurgy as ritual acts and use of aesthetics to become closer to the Divine

-Why Neoplatonic emanation theory makes more sense than the gnostic rejection of the physical world

-Jin the Ninja addresses the critique that the Buddhist rejection of attachment is demoralizing

-How a dualism about what is divine can help with both ethics and politics

-How Buddhism is misrepresented by western hippie leftists

–The Buddhist middle path

-Why Cosmoplatonism is simultaneously sex positive and sex negative, regarding stages of consciousness

–The intersectionality of spirituality and sexuality

-A nuanced embrace of asceticism

-How science is fundamentally interconnected to spiritually

-How human consciousness is an emanation from divine consciousness

-How human genetic differences reflect spirituality (eg. Rudolf Steiner’s anthroposophy)

-The Americanization process as an analogy for split consciousness

-Placing things and subjects in a neoplatonic hierarchy of importance

–Sufis on levels of consciousness

-How all Abrahamic faiths have factions that are influenced by Neoplatonism

-What actually is evil and sin?

-How to use occult practices, including Kabbalah, to reach the 5th layer of density

-Explaining the metaphysics of Cosmoplatonism, including the avatars

-Co-opting the gnostic demiurge to describe the manmade spiritual prison

–Why Near Death Experiences theologically contradict each other, despite their strong evidence

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Robert Stark and Francis Nally (Pilleater) chat with Alex von Goldstein who co-hosted Robert’s podcast, the Stark Truth in 2016.

Topics:

-How tribal conflicts are different people’s consciousness colliding-The intersection of genetics and spirituality (eg. different races are different attributes of God)–The lost tribes of Israel among European peoples-Why Alex belives that Christ is the son of God-New York’s Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center and The Statue of Liberty which represents Mithras -The Harmony Korine Jersey aesthetic-How humans are lesser divine entities-The need for a dualism between tribalism and universalism–Alex’s Dreamworld and experiences accessing different metaphysical realms–Colin Wilson’s theories about consciousness and his book, The Outsider -T.E. Lawrence’s quote, “All men dream: but not equally…The dreamers of the day dream with their eyes open.”–Pilleater’s viral Safe Sleazy meme -The inauthenticity of scenes like the Dirtbag Left/Cum Town and Dime Square-How we were ahead of our time in talking about an alt-left and dissident hipster scene-Cryptic fascist symbolism from 90s indie bands like Pavement to pop stars like Iggy Azalea-The esoteric components of sexuality

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Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka pilleater) talk to The Flower Heart about Asian American culture, and immigration and demographic trends, particularly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Flower Heart, whose moniker is a Chinese expression for being a player, is a second generation Chinese American who grew up in Oakland’s Chinatown.

Topics include:

-The history of Chinese immigration to the US-The divide between older Cantonese and more recent Mandarin speaking Chinese immigrants, the former which The Flower Heart is from-How Indian h1bs are replacing Chinese people in Silicon Valley and the degree of tension between those two groups-Contrasting The Flower Heart’s experiences at diverse Alameda HS and majority White and affluent Miramonte HS in Orinda-How many Asian youth from the East Bay emulate Black culture-How The Flower Heart’s mom joked that she sent him to a majority White HS because it was less hypercompetitive than an Asian school-How White/Asian mixed marriages are more common in White areas like Orinda than in Asian ethnoburbs-How a mixed Asian/Latino ethnogenesis is forming in certain East Bay cities like San Leandro-When The Flower Heart’s dad recently sold his house in the majority White suburb of Danville, Indian families purchased every new home-How the future is ethnogenesis forming along class lines rather than either balkanization or a melting pot–The gender dynamics between White and Asian couples-Francis’s demographic observations from New York and Philadelphia-How most assimilated Chinese Americans are moving to the suburbs-Is K-pop responsible for rising Asian male desirability?-Reasons that Asians voted Republican in the past but are now more Democrat-How Asians are having a political moderating impact on the Bay Area–Pulling Up The Ladder?-The Child of Immigrants Makes the Case for Moderate Immigration Restriction –The Flower Heart’s debate with Walt Bismarck over high vs low skilled immigration-The reasons for conformity and favoring lucrative career paths over self-actualization in Chinese culture-Why The CCP will invade Taiwan to maintain its legitimacy

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Subscribe to Sebastian Jensen on Substack and follow him on Twitter/X.

Topics:

-How Seb became interested in HBD and selected his moniker after Arthur Jensen-Seb’s background, being raised Mormon in Spain to a Mexican dad and a White American mom-The implications of GWAS testing of genetic variants in normalizing HBD-Why Seb predicts that HBD won’t be normalized until the 2nd half of the Century due to mass climate migration-How fertility is starting to converge among the races-Why fertility is crashing the most in 2nd world nations–The validity of breeder selection theory, that demographics whose fertility crashes earlier are at a long-term advantage-The growing fertility gap between liberals and conservatives-How the middle class being more risk averse than both the wealthy and poor explains their lower fertility-The degree that assortive mating exaggerates genetic traits among class lines-How intelligent men tend to select more for facial beauty over secondary sexual characteristics–The reasons for the decline in Mormon fertility-Whether racial mixing will make society more or less racist in the future-How non-mixed Whites are bifurcated between woke or colorblind and identitarians-How Seb predicts Whites, Hispanics, and Asians to a lesser degree, to mix into one same race, while Blacks remain separate-How mixed race people with White fathers often have different personality types than those with White mothers-How automation/AI may ease selection pressures against those who are unemployable due to intelligence or personality traits–The implications of gene editing/embryo selection in the future-Why Seb is not a hereditarian reductionist which undercounts the importance of nurture-Why the incel issue is getting much worse in the US than in other developed nations-Why wokeness is declining in the short term but may resurge in the long term–Why Seb predicts that society will neither collapse nor get better

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Robert Stark and Matt Pegas talk with author Mr. Omar King about his debut book, An Odyssey Of Dingbats!: A collection of stories and other obscurities, which Omar calls his schizophrenic dime store novel. An Odyssey Of Dingbats is the first and only book published by Matt’s publishing venue, New Ritual Press. Follow Omar on X/Twitter and Instagram.

Topics:

-The launch of New Ritual Press and Robert’s review of its Spring Equinox Party-The reception and success of An Odyssey Of Dingbats!-How the book has multiple references to oral s-x, including some real-life incidents-What is the proper way to pronounce fellatio?-Omar’s dream about Matt going down on the actress Jessica Lange–Omar’s interview on the Soft White Underbelly (Inside The Autistic Mind)-Omar’s inspiration for An Odyssey Of Dingbats, including as a homage to A Confederacy of Dunces and Story of the Eye–Omar’s cover feature in the literary magazine, Beyond The Last Estate-How An Odyssey Of Dingbats is more than silly sex humor and has some deeply emotional moments, as well as surreal horror-Omar’s artwork which is featured throughout the book-Omar’s love of David Lynch-The theme of the grotesque in both David Lynch’s and Omar’s work-The cliché of people trying to find meaning from Lynch’s work and why art does not need to be explained-Omar’s hometown, Gardena California, and how places are characters with a life of their own-The background of why Omar has a southern accent-How a lot of young Latinos don’t speak Spanish-The conformity and narcissism among many young people

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Disclaimer: I do not endorse the Putin regime or the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This was recorded before Russia-gate, and my views have since evolved.

Recoded: March 2016.

Aleksandr Dugin is one of the best-known writers and political commentators in post-Soviet Russia. In addition to the many books he has authored on political, philosophical and spiritual topics, he was the Head of the Department of Sociology of International Relations at Moscow State University.

Topics include:

-How Dugin was a political dissident during the Soviet Era-How Dugin rejects both Communism and Western Liberalism-How Dugin’s core values were based on traditional Czarist Russian society-The Yeltsin Era and the import of liberalism into Russia-Why Dugin supported Putin as neither a communist nor a liberal-Dugin’s view that the United States represents Carthage, a mercantile money based empire while Russia represents a Third Rome-How both nations back each other’s political dissidents in ideological proxy wars-How the key confrontation is not between Russia and the United States but between a globalist oligarchical elite against tradition and populism -Dugin’s book, The Fourth Political Theory-How Liberalism represents radical individualism, materialism, linear time, and the absence of the sacred-How radical individualism denies the individual the right to participate in a collective identity-How the end result of liberalism is totalitarianism-How Fascism and Communism emerged as a reaction to Liberalism but were flawed in their own right-Western Cultural Imperialism-The right of every group to have it’s own identity but not to impose theirs on others-How mass immigration is a strategy of the globalist elite to destroy societies-Why Dugin views Nationalism as a modern concept-Dugin’s statement on Donald Trump and the US election-Dugin’s view that Donald Trump is closest to the values of the American populace of any major candidate

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