Black In The Saddle

Christopher Diont'e picked up a camera as a kid because his uncles needed someone to film Sunday service. He left home at 18 to be a full-time artist on faith alone, taught himself to sew when his seamstresses couldn't keep up, and dressed an entire touring lineup in garments built for the stage. Then a Juneteenth pop-up in 2020 turned into a $40,000 month, and the dream he'd been chasing for years finally had a price tag he could meet.

What came next surprised him. A realtor offered him a 150-acre property with two barns and three stables, on a 70/30 partnership instead of rent, and four horses who settled the moment he laid a hand on them. Today he runs a 32-horse boarding operation in Hampton Roads, Virginia, where he believed he was the first of his kind. An artist residency sent him digging for who came before him, and the trail led straight to his own family: newly freed brothers who farmed, worked horses and cattle, and built a school and churches for their community.

Abriana and Christopher get into why the East Coast cowboy never made it to Hollywood, what horsemanship looked like when it was labor and survival instead of a lifestyle, and what it means to build a legacy for a son who's learning the land right alongside his father.

Mentioned in this episode

• Christopher's brand, For Generations To Come
• The T.D. Jakes line that became his daily prayer: right place, right time, right heart, right mind
• His Warfare Trousers and breastplate vest, inspired by the armor of God
• Ralph Lauren as the spark for the lifestyle he wanted
• Christopher's horse journey and vision for his farm life in the future

Frankie was three years old on a pony at the fair, and that was the end of any other plan. Raised by white adoptive parents and riding first in Oakland, then Oregon, Frankie spent years as the only Black rider in the barn. Then a 2020 lockdown scroll through Black in the Saddle showed Frankie Black horse folks in every discipline, and the question of where Frankie belonged started to change.

Today Frankie is training to become a therapist who opened private counseling this year, partly to get back to the barn, and shares life with three big geldings under the name Seventeen Hands of Color. Abriana and Frankie talk through the shame that can come with access, growing up a transracial adoptee in white horse spaces, and the boundary between educating barn friends and simply enjoying your horse.

Then come the horses. Tito, the blue roan Percheron cross who carried Frankie through grief. River, the warmblood who flew in from Alaska. Rory, a five-year-old spotted draft who is teaching Frankie to let the horse lead. The episode closes with a case for more nuance online, because shaming people for their questions keeps them isolated, and isolation is where horses and people get hurt.

Find Frankie on Facebook, Instagram and Threads at @17handsofcolor

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Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

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Imagine growing up in Lexington, Kentucky, but never touching a horses. Now imagine getting a call from the city's tourism board asking whether you can make sneakers for them. Marcus Floyd said yes before he knew what that meant. Four months later, Horse Kicks went globally viral, Nike's lawyers came calling, his Instagram was deleted overnight. Despite all of this, a door opened to the equestrian world that he's been walking through ever since.

Marcus is the artist behind Infinite Customs and Horse Kicks, with custom work for the cast of Power, Nelly, Coach K's Nike retirement send-off, and Luka Dončić through an approved Jordan Brand collab. We get into how he built the first prototypes on a medicine boot, why he partnered with Equine Fusion to make his mass-produced design safe before making it stylish, what it takes for an outsider to earn trust with horse people, and what he learned only this year about his grandfather's work as a groom. We also talk Paris Fashion Week, the Black cowboy moment in mainstream culture, a dream Disney collab, and his new podcast, Bad Mares Club.

Mentioned in this episode

• Horse Kicks (@horse.kicks) and Infinite Customs (@marcus_floyd_infinite)
• Horse Kicks website: www.horsekickslex.com
• Visit Lex and the 2022 Breeders' Cup campaign
• Equine Fusion (manufacturing partner)
• Bad Mares Club podcast

Connect with Marcus on Instagram at @horse.kicks and @marcus_floyd_infinite

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Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

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Narsis Whigham grew up in Chicago and learned horses on his family's 125-acre farm in Mississippi, riding the bus south by himself as a teenager to get back to the barn. A Batesville couple who bred spotted Tennessee Walking Horses put him on his first true walking horse, and that ride set the path. Today he trains, shows, judges, and works in equine-assisted services at Mississippi State.

In this episode, Narsis explains what a gaited horse really is and why once you ride a well trained mount, you'll never go back. He talks about learning to judge by chasing down judges after his own classes, why he places the horse and not the rider, prioritizing rear-end engagement in a ring built around front-end action. He also gives an insider's read on where the walking horse industry stands now: field trial horses selling for five figures, growth in flat-shod classes, the return of padded horses, and an industry that knows it has a PR problem.

Mentioned in this episode:

• Tennessee Walking Horses, spotted walking horses, and racking horses
• Field trials as a growing market for walking horses
• Trail pleasure and country pleasure (flat-shod) classes
• Equine Assisted Services at Mississippi State

Connect with Narsis at The Walking W on Facebook and @thewalkingw_r2t on Instagram and TikTok

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Join Us at Kinship Conference

Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

✨ Grab your ticket(s) TODAY: https://www.blkinthesaddle.com/kinship

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Preshuslee Thompson came to horses with no background, no gear budget, and no one in the barn who looked like her. Six years later she's an equine-assisted psychotherapist who can name the shift from calling herself "green" to handling horses with confidence and supporting clients thorough that same transition.

Abriana and Preshuslee met at a HERD Institute conference, and this conversation picks up where her session left off. She walks through her work as a clinical and occupational social worker, her path from implicit bias research to trauma-informed care, and the session with two mares, Heidi and Joy, that finally let her answer one question honestly. They also dig into cultural humility, who gets credit for experiential knowledge, and why belonging to yourself is how you belong anywhere, including in a horse world that doesn't always make room.

Preshuslee is speaking at the Kinship Conference, November 6–7 in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Mentioned in this episode

• HERD Institute and Dr. Veronica Lac
• Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity
• EAGALA model of equine-assisted psychotherapy
• Cultural humility framework
• Kinship Conference, November 6–7, 2026, Greensboro, NC

Connect with Preshuslee Thompson on LinkedIn and with Preseli Equity Consulting Group

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Join Us at Kinship Conference

Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

✨ Grab your ticket(s) TODAY: https://www.blkinthesaddle.com/kinship

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At five years old, Mikhail Proctor went for one pony ride at a fair and spent the rest of the day brushing horses and asking questions. Nobody in his family rode, so he found his own way in, cleaning stalls while friends took lessons and copying what he saw once the owners let him ride. That do-it-yourself grit carried him through show jumping, into equestrian vaulting, and eventually to co-founding Fleurs de Lis Vaulters, a nonprofit competitive vaulting club built on one rule above all others. The team is a family, and the horses are the MVPs.

Mikhail gets candid about why he'd never recommend his own path to anyone, how he coaches kids who talk back to their parents, and why he'll hold a team out of the ring until the horse is properly warmed up, whatever the schedule says. He also traces a career that ran from equine anesthesia to property management to equestrian marketing and now full-time photography, and explains what changed when he finally took the blinders off.

The conversation closes with a preview of his Kinship Conference session and a challenge for parents of horse-crazy kids. When your child names a big dream, skip the reasons it won't work and ask how they plan to get there.

Mentioned in this episode

• Fleur de Lis Vaulters, Mikhail's nonprofit vaulting club
• Mikhail's mentors and coaches who pushed him for more
• Goliath, the rescue horse who chose vaulting for him
• Kinship Conference, November 6–7, Greensboro NC

Connect with Mikhail on Instagram at @mikhail.proctor

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Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

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Jamon Turner is back on Black in the Saddle three years after his first appearance and Just Believe has grown well past where it started. What began as half-day and full-day horsemanship camps is now a full youth development pipeline: a Western Playgrounds program that pulls in welders, fabricators, cattlemen, and cryotherapy coaches alongside horse trainers, an intern program where kids manage and pay other kids, and a colt-starting curriculum that teaches gun safety, critical thinking, and horsemanship ethics side by side.

This episode is a masterclass in running a mission-driven organization without burning yourself out funding it. Jamon breaks down the actual math of nonprofit horse programs, why leasing horses will bankrupt you, and gets honest about what it takes to bring on coaches and clinicians who have to see the vision of the program. The technical skills are great, but Jamon creates ways for students to practice leadership, community economics and team building.

Starting with just a stock trailer in a small Texas town, Just Believe has evolve so much since our first conversation. I think you'll enjoy hearing just what the process requires.

The conversation closes with a preview of what Jamon's bringing to the BITS Kinship Conference this November in North Carolina and why he said yes to it.

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Join Us at Kinship Conference

Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

✨ Grab your ticket(s) TODAY: https://www.blkinthesaddle.com/kinship

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Join me as I sit with my good friend and horse girl sister, Natasha Gordon, for an unfiltered catch-up on ALL THE THINGS. Natasha walks us through buying her first horse, how she landed on her mare Tessa after nearly buying three other horses, refurbishing a $700 trailer from scratch, hauling Tessa twelve hours from Charlotte to Toledo after her grandmother's passing, and the six-month hoof injury that tested (and ultimately built) the trust between them.

Natasha traces her path from a childhood in a mostly white Ohio town, where she was told horses weren't for her, to discovering Compton Cowboys in San Diego and realizing there was an entire community of Black and brown riders she never knew existed. We talk about what it means to finally belong somewhere, and what they're each building next: land, education, and space for kids who never got the access they did.

In this episode:

- Finding her heart horse
- Refurbishing a $700 trailer and learning to haul solo
- The hoof injury that nearly ended Tessa's riding career
- Building community, land, and legacy for the next generation
- Natasha's creativity practice

Connect with Natasha:
@tashas.belle - or- TikTok and Instagram and search "Tasha Belle"

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Join Us at Kinship Conference

Mark your calendar: November 6–7, 2026 in Greensboro, NC.

Kinship is a two-day gathering for Black horse folks across every discipline. The FIRST event of its kind, Kinship is built on connection, mentorship, skill-sharing, and honoring the stories that shaped us. If you're looking for real community and real pathways forward in the horse industry, this is where you belong.

✨ Grab your ticket(s) TODAY: https://www.blkinthesaddle.com/kinship

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Dr. Letitia Mason has spent over two decades living in two worlds most people assume don't touch: elite academic admissions leadership and a horse program she and her mother ran out of High Point, North Carolina for 25 years. In this conversation, she traces it all the way back to a conversation with her grandfather about "a horse of a different color," through the founding of the HUD-funded Eagle Mounted Scholars Inner City Youth Initiative in 1982, into her PhD research on leadership self-efficacy, and finally back to the barn where she's now applying the very model she built in academia to youth equine work at Green Pastures Still Waters Barn.

In this episode we cover why she kept her horse life separate from her career for decades, the outcomes her program produced (zero dropouts, zero teen pregnancies, 25 years of kids going on to college or a trade), the story behind the Mason Leadership Self-Efficacy Model, and a real conversation about wild horse roundups, BLM policy, and why the internet's outrage cycle rarely tells the whole story. Dr. Mason is speaking at the Kinship Conference this November.

In this episode:

• The origin story behind Eagle Mounted Scholars and its 25-year run
• Building the Mason Leadership Self-Efficacy Model from lived observation, not a lab
• Why she hid her horse work from her academic colleagues for most of her career
• What she's looking forward to sharing at the Kinship Conference

Samir Geiger didn't grow up around horses. He grew up in the Bronx watching the Harlem parade go by, catching a glimpse of Black cowboys and cowgirls at the tail end of it, and soaking up Westerns at his grandparents' house. That glimpse turned into Be Worthy Horsemanship, a program built for kids in the New York and New Jersey school systems who'd never so much as touched a horse and in some cases, don't see one for the first four weeks of the program on purpose.

In this conversation, Samir walks through the injury that changed how he approaches horsemanship, the "goldfish club" icebreaker he uses to get kids thinking differently before they ever meet a horse, and the frameworks that turn a riding lesson into a lesson in patience, focus, and self-trust. He talks about building relationships with riding academies, running a roping clinic in the heart of Newark, and what it means for a kid to watch a Black man teach him how to read a horse. He's speaking at the Kinship Conference in November, and this episode is just a glimpse of what he's bringing.

Mentioned in this episode:

• Be Worthy Horsemanship 101
• Federation of Black Cowboys (Keisha Mars)
• Fletcher Street Urban Riding Club
• Jersey High School Rodeo
• Tom and Bill Dorrance, Ray Hunt, Buck Brannaman