In this BOLD episode, Dr. Dan Bai gets real about what's holding most chiropractors back—and hint, it's not a lack of new patients.

As the founder of CloseForChiro, Dan pulls back the curtain on why high-volume practices are often chaotic, why most DCs are solving the wrong problem, and how to create a cash-based business that thrives without sacrificing your freedom, family, or sanity.

This is not a hype-fest. It's a raw, hilarious, and practical conversation that challenges the old-school "grind harder" mentality.

1. [00:03:12] Why the "I just need more new patients" belief is a dangerous trap

2. [00:09:40] The difference between being self-employed vs. building an actual business

3. [00:13:20] What "closing" really means—and why chiropractors are terrible at it

4. [00:18:15] How to sell care plans without pressure, gimmicks, or fear-based tactics

5. [00:25:40] What makes Dan's CloseForChiro system work in any practice model

6. [00:29:50] The "Lambo" story: why Dan chose fulfillment over flash

7. [00:36:10] How to stop comparing yourself to influencers and practice by design

8. [00:41:45] What freedom actually looks like—and how to get there

• CloseForChiro (C4C) — Dr. Dan's signature sales and communication training for chiropractors 👉 https://www.closeforchiro.com

• Follow Dr. Dan Bai and C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/closeforchiro

• Dan's YouTube Channel (C4C) 👉 https://www.youtube.com/@closeforchiro

In this inspiring episode of Bold Conversations for Chiropractors, we sit down with Dr. Katrina Gallagher—chiropractor, nutritionist, doula, and founder of Triada Wellness in Texas. Dr. Gallagher opens up about her journey from a sports injury to serving families in holistic health and birth care. Her powerful message? Chiropractic isn't just about pain relief—it's about generational transformation.

We explore how chiropractic care during pregnancy can lay the foundation for health not just for the mother—but for generations to come. Dr. Gallagher shares why she's passionate about supporting growing families, what it means to create a "village," and how aligning your purpose with your practice can change everything.

Whether you're a chiropractor focused on paediatrics, prenatal care, or simply building a family-first practice, this episode will reignite your mission.

[00:00] – Welcome and Dr. Gallagher's backstory: From athlete to advocate [03:45] – How a sports injury changed her trajectory—and led her to chiropractic [06:10] – Meeting her husband in chiropractic college and a shared vision [09:30] – Life and practice in Singapore: Cultural contrast and clarity [12:15] – Why a peaceful home birth shifted everything [14:50] – Becoming a certified doula: The intersection of chiropractic and birth [17:25] – Opening Triada Wellness in Texas: Faith-led and community-focused [20:05] – Chiropractic and generational health: Starting with pregnancy [23:45] – Building a supportive ecosystem for growing families [27:00] – Serving women before, during, and after pregnancy [30:00] – Advice for chiropractors: How to build a practice on values and calling

• https://www.ournurturenest.com/the-nurturenest-fertility-program

• Book Resource: Supernatural Childbirth by Jackie Mize Available on Amazon

"If we can set a healthy lifestyle in those nine months of pregnancy, that baby is being born into a family that already lives good habits. It's generational." — Dr. Katrina Gallagher

https://www.ournurturenest.com/

The Inner Game of Chiropractic: Leadership, Legacy & Loving the Life You Live with Dr. Tom Preston

Episode Summary:

In this deeply personal and powerful episode of Bold Conversations for Chiropractors, Dr. Tom Preston—coach, mentor, and chiropractic thought leader—joins host Dr. Ed Osburn to pull back the curtain on what it really means to build a life and business by design. From mastering retention to rewiring your inner belief system, Tom shares profound lessons from decades of guiding doctors to reclaim their authentic power and lead boldly.

This is a must-listen for any chiropractor who wants to live more intentionally, attract the right-fit patients, and build a legacy that lasts beyond the adjusting table.

Timestamps & Highlights:

[00:00] – Intro to Dr. Tom Preston: From farm boy to philosopher-coach [03:28] – The chiropractic burnout pattern: how Dr. Tom nearly quit… and what saved him [06:45] – Why your inner game determines your outer results [10:12] – Authenticity and alignment: the secret to sustainable practice success [15:30] – Building a life by design vs. a business by default [20:48] – The Retention Trap and why systems won't fix an inner misalignment [24:15] – How to attract "hell yes" patients through resonance [30:00] – The role of mentorship and community in lasting transformation [34:40] – Preview: Expansive Marketing & Retention Event [37:20] – Final reflections: Leadership, identity, and redefining success

Resources & Links Mentioned:

Dr. Tom Preston's Coaching & Programs

https://drtompreston.com

Event: Expansive Marketing & Retention Intensive

November 2025 – Live in Canada Register here 👉 https://thechiroconference.com

Dr. Tom's Book: Campfire Lessons for Leaders

Available on Amazon

Key Takeaways:

1. Burnout isn't fixed with better systems—it's fixed with better alignment.

2. Retention starts with resonance. Patients feel your energy more than your scripts.

3. You must live your message to lead others into transformation.

4. Most docs don't need more marketing—they need more clarity on who they are.

Call to Action Expansive Marketing & Retention Intensive → https://thechiroconference.com

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In this powerful and passionate conversation, Dr. Wade Anunson returns to Bold Conversations to share his vision for a chiropractic renaissance — one built on clinical precision, authentic patient connection, and results that speak for themselves.

With over 30 years in practice and deep roots in teaching, Dr. Wade reveals why he's launching the Precision Clinical Mastery program — a hands-on, intimate learning experience for chiropractors ready to evolve their skillset, amplify results, and reignite their purpose in practice.

This episode is for the doctor who's mastered marketing and wants deeper fulfillment through clinical transformation.

00:00 – 04:30 – Dr. Wade's 30-year journey: Love affair with chiropractic, mentorships, and the call to teach. 04:31 – 10:45 – How communication skills and behavior styles (like DISC) influence clinical outcomes. 10:46 – 16:10 – Patients driving 3–4 hours? The gap in skill that drives long-distance referrals. 16:11 – 24:20 – The birth of Precision Clinical Mastery: Objective findings, better palpation, practical learning. 24:21 – 30:40 – "Love the one you're with": Why a better adjustment leads to a bigger referral engine. 30:41 – 38:15 – New stressors, new protocols: Blue light, stress physiology, and adapting to the modern patient. 38:16 – 45:30 – Hands-on over hotel: Why this event is unlike any other. Only 15 seats. 45:31 – 51:00 – Dr. Wade's mentor legacy, Dr. Frank Zinski, and a call to preserve chiropractic's power. 51:01 – END – Creating your legacy through mastery, not marketing. Why this is Dr. Wade's ripple effect.

• 🔗 Precision Clinical Mastery Live Event (15 Seats Only): Register Now – Lock in your spot (If domain not active, DM Dr. Wade directly)

• 🎓 Connect with Dr. Wade Anunson Facebook: Dr. Wade Anunson Instagram: @drwadeanunson Website: (TBD – follow socials for updates)

• 💡 Mentioned Mentors:

  • Dr. Frank Zinski

  • Dr. Guy Riekeman

  • Dr. David Fletcher

  • Reggie Gold

  • Tony Robbins (Life Mastery & Unleash the Power Within)

"Stop chasing new patients. Master the one in front of you — that's your best referral strategy." – Dr. Wade Anunson

Episode Overview: Join us on Bold Conversations as we reconnect with Dr. Pete Goldman, a chiropractic innovator and educator, after nearly half a decade. Dr. Goldman shares his journey from Brooklyn to becoming a world-renowned chiropractor whose techniques draw patients globally. Discover how he's shaping the future of chiropractic care through his unique zone technique.

Timestamps:

• [00:00:00] - Introduction and catch-up with Dr. Pete Goldman
• [00:01:00] - Dr. Goldman's childhood and early influences in natural health
• [00:02:00] - Decision to pursue chiropractic over a career in business or naturopathy
• [00:03:00] - Gaps in chiropractic education and the genesis of the zone technique
• [00:04:00] - The foundational principles taught at Life University
• [00:05:00] - Realizations about the limits of traditional chiropractic teachings
• [00:06:00] - Influence of Dr. Thurman Fleet and the transition from zone therapy to zone technique
• [00:07:00] - The motivation behind teaching and sharing the zone technique
• [00:08:00] - Global impact and the decision to start teaching to preserve the technique
• [00:09:00] - The philosophy behind the zone technique and its effectiveness
• [00:10:00] - Why Dr. Goldman feels no burden but enjoys sharing his knowledge
• [00:11:00] - Explaining the unique aspects of the zone technique
• [00:12:00] - The simple truths behind effective healing practices
• [00:13:00] - Addressing misconceptions and educating on the real drivers of health
• [00:14:00] - How various healing modalities can work without addressing subluxations
• [00:15:00] - Importance of understanding true healing for better chiropractic results
• [00:16:00] - How to learn the zone technique through Dr. Goldman's online academy
• [00:17:00] - Discussion on business systems and their role in professional success
• [00:18:00] - Business fundamentals that contribute to a successful practice
• [00:19:00] - Personal reflections and learning to manage personal judgment in practice
• [00:20:00] - How maintaining a non-personal perspective enhances professional life
• [00:21:00] - Closing thoughts and recommendations for personal and professional growth

Resources Mentioned:

• Zone School of Healing - Learn directly from Dr. Pete Goldman through his comprehensive online program.
• Book: "Science of Psychic Healing" by Yogi Ramacharaka - An insightful read into alternative healing methodologies that predate modern chiropractic practices.
• Quotes for inspiration and reflection from Jack Dempsey, Miyamoto Musashi, and Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Closing Remarks: Dr. Goldman's dedication to advancing chiropractic through the zone technique offers both new and experienced practitioners a path to enhancing their healing capabilities. His approach not only addresses physical ailments but also enriches the chiropractic dialogue with a blend of historical wisdom and contemporary application.

For more insights and to learn directly from Dr. Pete Goldman, visit Bold Conversations Podcast and follow the links provided in the show notes. Join our newsletter to receive updates and special content directly to your inbox.

• Welcome to another episode of Bold Conversations Podcast! In this session, we're joined by Dr. Ben Lerner, a pioneer in the chiropractic and regenerative medicine fields, who has significantly impacted healthcare through his innovative approaches and entrepreneurial spirit.

1. Professional Journey:

   • Dr. Lerner discusses his extensive career, starting with his initial goal of high patient volume, leading to the development of multiple clinics and eventually coaching other professionals.
   • He shares insights from his educational path, including a Master's in Industrial and Organizational Psychology and a Doctorate in Business, which equipped him to better manage and expand his healthcare initiatives.

2. Motivation and Drive:

   • Personal loss and family health challenges have profoundly influenced Dr. Lerner's career, fueling his passion for transforming healthcare and improving patient outcomes.

3. Philosophy of Redemption in Business:

   • Dr. Lerner emphasizes the importance of finding opportunities and optimism in failures and delays, advocating for a redemptive approach to life and business challenges.

4. Encountering Setbacks:

   • He candidly discusses past business challenges and how these setbacks spurred his pursuit of further education and ultimately led to greater successes.

5. Faith and Business:

   • Faith plays a crucial role in Dr. Lerner's personal and professional life, guiding his decisions and helping him navigate the complexities of his career.

6. Innovations in Regenerative Medicine:

   • Dr. Lerner explains his involvement with regenerative medicine, detailing how chiropractic care combined with regenerative techniques can significantly enhance patient care and outcomes.

7. Future Projects and Aspirations:

   • Currently collaborating with a private equity group, Dr. Lerner is working to establish regenerative medical clinics in Canada, aiming to bring advanced therapeutic options to a broader audience.

• Regenerative Medical Practices: Insights into the integration of regenerative methods with traditional chiropractic care to enhance patient treatment plans.

• "Zero to a Million in One Year" by Dr. Ben Lerner: A guide on rapidly scaling a healthcare practice to achieve significant financial success.
• "Masters of Change" by William Boast: A recommended read that explores the necessity of adapting and evolving in both personal and professional life to succeed in today's dynamic environment.
• Facebook: Dr. Ben Lerner's professional page

• Dr. Lerner's journey and insights provide invaluable lessons on resilience, innovation, and the integration of diverse healthcare modalities. His commitment to advancing healthcare and his strategic approach to business and personal growth continue to inspire many within and outside the chiropractic community.

Visit our dedicated webpage for more resources and links from this episode on boldconversationspodcast.com.

Introduction: Welcome to another engaging episode of Bold Conversations Podcast. In this episode, Dr. Josh Wagner shares his unique insights on the chiropractic profession, the evolution of his coaching strategies, and practical advice for both new and seasoned practitioners.

Key Discussion Points:

1. Journey in Chiropractic:

   • Dr. Wagner talks about his early love for chiropractic philosophy and the eventual realization that day-to-day patient care wasn't as fulfilling as he expected, leading him to coaching.

2. Evolution of Coaching:

   • He discusses the progression from focusing solely on patient communication to addressing the chiropractic 'headspace' and business acumen, highlighting the importance of profitability and business efficiency in practice.

3. Financial Strategies:

   • Introduction of the "outrunning overhead" strategy, aiming to cover practice overheads by mid-month, thereby increasing profitability.
   • Emphasis on knowing the essential numbers, not just collections but profits and overhead percentages.

4. Mental Barriers in Practice:

   • Exploration of self-worth among chiropractors, emphasizing the common issues related to feeling undeserving of success.
   • Strategies to overcome these mental barriers and affirm one's value and rights to success.

5. Deserving Process:

   • Dr. Wagner describes a specific process he developed to help chiropractors work through feelings of undeserving, enhancing personal and professional growth.

6. Impact of AI and Technology:

   • Discussion on the potential and limitations of AI in chiropractic practice, stressing that while AI can provide tools, it cannot replace the human elements of care.

7. Reading Recommendations and Influences:

   • Dr. Wagner recommends several books that have influenced him, including:
     • "Letters from a Self-Made Merchant to His Son" by George Horace Lorimer
     • "Built to Last" and "Good to Great" by Jim Collins
     • He also discusses his views on influential figures like Elon Musk and the insights gained from biographies and business philosophies.

8. Advice for Young Chiropractors:

   • Dr. Wagner reflects on his experiences and mistakes in choosing mentors and emphasizes the importance of selecting a mentor whose success is evident and methods align with one's ethical and professional values.

Call to Action: Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their professional journeys and consider the mental frameworks that might be holding them back. Dr. Wagner's book, "You Deserve It," is available for free download at Patientmastery.com, providing tools and insights to help chiropractors achieve their deserved success.

Connect with Dr. Josh Wagner:

• For more insights and resources, visit Patient Mastery where chiropractors can find guidance on enhancing their practices and personal growth.

Thank you for tuning into Bold Conversations Podcast. Join us next time for more discussions that challenge, inspire, and foster growth in the chiropractic field. If you enjoyed this episode, please head over to iTunes or Spotify to listen to more episodes and leave a review.

Dr. Alain Desaulniers' Journey from Chiropractic Legacy to Master Storyteller"

Episode Overview: Join us as Dr. Alain Desaulniers shares his inspiring journey from growing up in a family deeply rooted in chiropractic care to becoming a powerful voice in the field. With 44 chiropractors in his family, Dr. Alain's unique upbringing shaped his perspective on health and storytelling. Dive into a compelling discussion about the importance of narrative in medicine and the challenges of communicating holistic health concepts in today's digital age.

Timestamps:

1. [00:00:00] - Introduction and background of Dr. Alain Desaulniers
2. [00:02:00] - The impact of COVID on public health narratives
3. [00:04:00] - Early influences: Tony Robbins and Mark Victor Hansen
4. [00:06:00] - Transitioning from chiropractic practice to coaching and storytelling
5. [00:10:00] - Overcoming personal challenges and the power of storytelling
6. [00:14:00] - The fears and hurdles in public speaking and self-expression
7. [00:18:00] - Utilizing social media effectively for professional storytelling
8. [00:20:00] - The role of technology and simplicity in effective communication
9. [00:25:00] - Strategies for doctors to develop and share their stories
10. [00:30:00] - The evolving landscape of digital media and TikTok for professional use
11. [00:35:00] - Final thoughts and where to find Dr. Alain Desaulniers online

Key Resources Mentioned:

• Tony Robbins Seminars: Insight into motivational speaking and personal transformation.
• "Chicken Soup for the Soul" by Mark Victor Hansen: A pivotal book mentioned by Dr. Alain influencing his perception of impactful storytelling.

Call to Action: Discover more about Dr. Alain Desaulniers and his transformative approach to storytelling in the healthcare space by visiting his website at TribeX.rocks. Check out his free training on becoming camera confident, a valuable resource for anyone looking to enhance their digital presence.

Connect with Dr. Alain:

• Website: TribeX.rocks
• Social Media: Engage with Dr. Alain on platforms where he shares insights into chiropractic care, storytelling, and more.

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Welcome to another episode of Bold Conversations! Today, we're joined by Dr. Aaron Gumm, who shares his transformative journey from a four-sport athlete and medical sales professional to a revolutionary chiropractor and entrepreneur. Dive into his story of competitiveness, innovation, and how he revolutionized his chiropractic practice through automation.

Introduction:

• Dr. Aaron Gumm discusses his background as a competitive athlete and his transition into chiropractic care, driven by a passion to improve the traditional healthcare model.

Chiropractic Journey:

• From starting in medical sales to discovering chiropractic in Scottsdale, Arizona, Dr. Gumm's early professional experiences profoundly shaped his approach to healthcare.
• Graduated from Parker University in 2007 and quickly realized the limitations of high-volume practices.

Innovative Practice Model:

• Transitioned from a high-volume practice to an integrated practice with a focus on patient value and insurance independence.
• Developed niche services within his practice, significantly broadening patient outreach and reducing operational bottlenecks.

Blueprint to Practice Automation:

• Introduction of home-based care and online components, allowing for increased patient engagement and significantly higher patient visit average (PVA).
• The shift from in-practice intensive care to at-home treatments supplemented by nutritional protocols and digital education platforms.

Expanding Reach and Impact:

• By focusing on less common chiropractic services as entry points, Dr. Gumm's practice can appeal to a larger segment of the population, beyond the typical 13% that seek chiropractic care.

Compliance and Patient Engagement:

• Emphasizes the importance of aligning treatment protocols with patients' personal goals and values, which enhances compliance and treatment effectiveness.
• Discusses the shift to providing tools and resources that patients can use at home, empowering them to take charge of their health.

Vision and Values:

• Dr. Gumm stresses the importance of having a clear vision and set core values both personally and professionally, which guide decision-making and practice direction.

Business Growth and Team Building:

• Shares insights on the necessity of delegation and building a competent team to scale business operations effectively.

Technology and Innovation:

• Discusses the role of AI in modernizing practice operations, from patient education to administrative efficiency.

Closing Thoughts:

• Dr. Gumm advocates for a balanced approach to professional and personal life, emphasizing the need for continuous learning and adaptation to maintain both business success and personal well-being.

Resources and Links:

• Visit Blueprint to Practice Automation to learn more about how Dr. Gumm's methodologies can transform your practice.
• Explore tools and resources that integrate AI into daily operations, enhancing efficiency and creativity.

Call to Action:

• If you're inspired by Dr. Gumm's journey and want to explore how automation and innovative practices can revolutionize your chiropractic practice, reach out through the provided links for a personalized consultation.

Episode Summary: In this enlightening episode of the Bold Conversations Podcast, Dr. Vernon Millspaugh shares his journey and the principles that have allowed him to run a seven-figure chiropractic clinic without spending a dime on advertising. With over 20 years of experience and maintaining a three-day workweek, Dr. Millspaugh discusses the power of creating an exceptional patient experience and building a practice solely on referrals.

Show Notes:

1. Introduction to Dr. Vernon Millspaugh

   • Dr. Millspaugh introduces his chiropractic practice in Edmond, Oklahoma, highlighting his approach to creating a referral-based business without traditional advertising.

2. Secrets to a Referral-Based Practice

   • The importance of creating a memorable patient experience is discussed, emphasizing personal service and lifelong patient care as key strategies for success.

3. Philosophy on Patient Care and Education

   • Dr. Millspaugh talks about the necessity of patient education and building trust, which allows for better treatment outcomes and patient retention.

4. Advice for Struggling Practices

   • Tips on how chiropractors can improve their community service and patient relationships to enhance practice success.

5. Educational Approach and Handling New Patients

   • Strategies for educating new patients about chiropractic care, ensuring they understand the value of consistent treatment over time.

6. Impact of Chiropractic on Overall Health

   • Discussion on the broader implications of chiropractic care on general health, including preventive care and lifestyle improvements.

7. Scaling Down Work Hours

   • Dr. Millspaugh shares his personal experience with reducing his work hours while increasing practice efficiency and maintaining patient volume.

8. Challenges and Rewards of Building a Referral-Only Practice

   • Insights into the challenges faced when transitioning to a referral-only model and the rewards of building a strong patient community.

9. Advice for New Chiropractors

   • Guidance for new chiropractors on setting realistic expectations about building a practice and the importance of genuine patient care over purely business considerations.

10. Future of Chiropractic Care

    • Thoughts on the future of the chiropractic profession and the need for chiropractors to maintain the core principles of personalized care and patient education.

Resources Mentioned:

• Seven Figure Mentor: Explore Dr. Vernon Millspaugh's strategies for building a successful chiropractic practice at Seven Figure Mentor. This site offers a wealth of resources, including a downloadable PDF and access to webinars designed to enhance chiropractic business practices.

Call to Action:

• For chiropractors looking to elevate their practice, consider scheduling a consultation with Dr. Millspaugh through his website to learn more about his methods and how you can apply them to your own practice.

Closing Thoughts:

• Dr. Millspaugh's approach combines deep care for his patients with smart business practices, offering a model for other healthcare professionals to emulate. His success underscores the importance of authenticity and dedication in healthcare.