Pastor Maurice “Chip” Frontz joins hosts the Rev. Maurice Lee and Dr. David Luy to explore how Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s realism grounds ministry in what’s given—the actual people and community God has placed before us. Together they reflect on the pitfalls of idealized visions of church life, the call to gratitude, and the freeing truth that pastors are not called to improve their congregations but to love and pray for them.