Was hanging out with brother Marshall, asking him about what kind of trouble he got into as a youth--I wasn't a part of that. He's been run over by a bulldozer, for starters. This recording starts when we're petting the horses, and it breaks off and then continues when we're talking with our nephews.

Good morning! As soon as we woke up, I recorded nine minutes of our conversation in bed. Please forgive my yawning and Chris's sniffing--he didn't have his breathing meds the night before.

Judy Myers is amazing. With a friend, she has written and published a science fiction series called The Tradepoint Saga under the name JJ Blacklocke, and that is just the beginning. She has also written romances and just about everything else. She is brilliant and humble and fun to listen to. You can read about the Tradepoint Saga here: https://jjblacklocke.com/

(on this podcast episode I feel peculiarly aware of all my mistakes as a podcaster, my sitting too close to the microphone, etc., my saying Judy's name wrong, etc., so please ignore me and listen to Judy).

It was great to talk with fiction writer and Columbia College Professor Don De Grazia at Rite Liquors in Wicker Park in Chicago. We talked about Chicago-style softball (FYI, the original softball) and what he is writing. De Grazia is author of American Skin. https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Don-De-Grazia/1440314.

June sold me some baguettes, so we discussed what was the best way to eat them and then went on to discuss the philosopher-baker Judy Sarkozy and other matters.

Lee Ann Johnson, my sister-in-law, stopped by H House with my brother Mike, and so I asked her what she had been doing. She kindly talked to me about Ohio politics, her history with politics, knitting and other topics.

Talked to my brother Marshall, who has driven a truck for 40 years about driving and computers and other things.