In this bonus episode, Maya talks to Bernard Semerdjian, an incredible graphic designer, art director, experience designer, and mensch. The two sat down a couple of weeks ago to talk about Maya's interview with concept artist and art director Philip Boutté Jr., world building, and what it means to create the thing that you would like to see in the world.

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