If you’ve listened to the first three parts of this podcast, you know former California governor Pete Wilson played a big role in setting the stage for Proposition 187. We tried to arrange an interview with him for months. And the day The Battle of 187 got released, we finally got a date on the calendar. So here’s a special bonus episode of our podcast, in which host Gustavo Arellano asks Wilson questions that have been bothering him forever. Like, who created that crazy “They Keep Coming” ad? And did undocumented families like Gustavo’s ruin California?

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