Every once in a while, Jon and Kurt like to venture out of their comfort zones and try new things. In this episode, the Smart Drivel gents are guests on The After 30 Podcast and have a fun and interesting discussion with hosts Tabitha and Anis centering on advice they would give to their 40 year old selves. Two mid-fifties guys talking careers and life with two 30-something women is a mash-up conversation worth a listen.