This week on "Everybody in the Pool," we are on one last week of summer vacation but we didn’t want to leave you without anything to listen to any longer! One of Molly’s other projects is a podcast called Futureverse, where she and co-host Ramanan Raghavendran interview authors of climate fiction, to try to understand how fiction and science fiction imagine a present or a future in the world of a changing climate. Recently, they interviewed the Harvard professor and scientist Naomi Oreskes. She is known for her climate change activism, for nonfiction works on coordinated disinformation, and for trying to communicate science to the masses — which led her to co-author a work of fiction called The Collapse of Western Civilization. We spoke with her about knowing what’s coming, how to stop it, how to win people to your side, and how sometimes fiction can tell better stories than science.

• The Futureverse podcast
• Naomi Oreskes
• The Collapse of Western Civilization
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