In this last episode of Season 1 of Book Making as an Art Form: exploring the boundaries, I sit down with Michaël Snitker, Amsterdam-based graphic designer working across books, visual identities, and exhibitions for cultural institutions.

Michaël’s practice blends clarity and complexity, modernist traditions and experimentation. Besides commissioned work, he initiates research projects and designs his own publications, often rooted in poetry and language.

In our conversation, we explore:

• Growing up surrounded by art and poetry
• Fluxus as a lasting and intuitive influence
• Working across four pillars
• Trust, collaboration, and play as foundations of creative practice
  

Inspired by the idea of tradition and sabotage, this episode reflects on bookmaking as a practice that balances rules with intuition, precision with imperfection, and legacy with experimentation.

Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer

Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage

Design: Thom Niessink

Recorded at Huis van het Boek

Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, n.k.g. publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Jap Sam Books, Michaël Snitker

In this episode of Book making as an art form: exploring the boundaries, I sit down with Caleb Cain Marcus, creative director of Luminosity Lab, a Brooklyn-based design studio. He is known for making books that are not just objects but experiences.

Shaped by a childhood in the mountains of Colorado and a background in poetry, photography, and printing, Caleb shares his reflections on:

• Looking and curiosity as a lifelong practice
• Moving from poetry and photography into book design
• Why does he produce his books in Europe
• Cultural support, budgets, and the ecosystems around bookmaking

It’s a joyful conversation about attention, emotion, and the power of books.

Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer

Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage

Design: Thom Niessink

Recorded at Huis van het Boek

Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, nkg publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Eleonoor Jap Sam

Croudfunding now: https://www.voordekunst.nl/projecten/20394-podcast-book-making-as-an-art-form

In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form: Exploring the Boundaries, I sit down with Eleonoor Jap Sam, founder of Jap Sam Books a publishing house where books are treated as slow, living objects.

With over two decades of experience, Eleonoor shares her reflections on:

• Curiosity as the heart of being

• The invisible care behind every book

• Sustainability, budgets, and creative freedom

• Balancing leadership, motherhood, and legacy

It's a gentle conversation about what it means to publish with care, stay generous in the process, and see each book as a carrier of knowledge, ideas, and inspiration.

Produced by Justina Nekrašaitė | The Book Photographer

Audio productions: Drexhage Media | Jasper Drexhage

Design: Thom Niessink

Recorded at Huis van het Boek

Supported by Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles, Luminosity Lab, Marc Gijzen, nkg publications, Jeremy Jansen, Jesse Presse, Eleonoor Jap Sam

In this new chapter of Book Making as an Art Form: exploring the boundaries, we sit down with Jesse Muller, founder of Jesse Presse, to explore the invisible care that keeps the art book world alive.

Jesse is a distributor, editor, and writer who connects independent publishers with readers, bookshops, and museums across the Netherlands and Belgium.

With nearly 20 years of experience, she reflects on the in-between space of art and entrepreneurship.

This episode is a gentle deep dive into:

• The beginning of Jesse Presse

• The invisible labor of book distribution

• Building artistic ecosystems through care and collaboration

• The dance between artistic vision and commercial reality

• New adventures and a new publishing house in town

Whether you work with books, live surrounded by them, or simply love the quiet power of printed matter, this episode offers a thoughtful pause and a new way to see the life of a book.

This podcast is made possible with the generous support of the Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Marc Gijzen, Nina Glockner, Luminosity Lab and Jesse Presse.

Produced by Justina Nekrasaite l The Book Photographer
Audio productions by Drexhage Media |Jasper Drexhage
Graphic design Thom Niessink
Recorded at Huis van het Boek

In this season finale, before the summer break of Book Making as an Art Form, we sit down with Bruno Devos.

Bruno is publisher, cultural diplomat, and founder of Hopper & Fuchs to explore the poetic and practical realities of independent publishing.

With over 30 years of experience, Bruno shares his journey from working in a print shop to traveling the world with a suitcase full of artist books. This episode is a generous deep dive into:

• Why is a book a home
• The invisible labour of bookmaking
• The blurred lines between publishing, curating, and care
• How fashion and bookmaking unexpectedly overlap
• The fragility (and urgency) of the art book ecosystem

Whether you're a maker, a reader, or simply curious about the lives of books beyond the page, this episode is worth listening to.

This podcast is made possible with the generous support of the Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Marc Gijzen, and Luminosity Lab.

In this warm and generous conversation, we meet the duo behind Team Thursday: Loes van Esch and Simone Trum. Their collaborative studio in Rotterdam has shaped many precise typographic identities and books in the cultural field.

From shared kitchen table experiments to moving into a church with fellow creatives, Loes and Simone reflect on:

• How their friendship evolved into a 12-year-long design partnership;

• The joys and frictions of working as a duo - and why 'just keep going' became a guiding principle;

• Their views on lingering, and why sometimes it’s more efficient not to be efficient;

• And how typography, for them, is not just a tool but part of the book’s soul.

  
  

Whether you’re a student, designer, teacher, or book enthusiast, this episode is a generous insight into the layered world of collaborative graphic design.

This recording is made possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, and Luminosity Lab.

In this rich and intimate conversation, we sit down with lithographer Marc Gijzen, whose invisible hand has shaped many beautiful photography and art books in the Netherlands and worldwide.

From the smell of ink to the subtle art of collaboration, Marc shares:

• How exposure to visual culture in his childhood opened the way for his lifetime profession;

• He explains how essential teamwork is in bookmaking;

• And shares the story of printing full-color on black paper - a dream project come true.

Whether you're a designer, photographer, or book lover, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at what makes printed images sing.

This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV and Luminosity Lab.

In this episode of Book Making as an Art Form, I sit down with Jhen Chen, director of Limestone Books - a small but visionary art bookshop in Maastricht that’s redefining what publishing spaces can be.

We explore how Limestone began as an idea among friends and grew into a community-led hub that resists traditional publishing norms. Jhen shares:

• Limestone Books: from concept to community hub
• Radical experimentation in art publishing: what does It really mean?
• The power of local: why Limestone Books prints locally
• The art of running a bookshop: balancing business and community

Listen now and forward it to someone who believes books can change the world.

Discover Limestone Books

Website: https://limestonebooks.org/

Instagram: www.instagram.com/limestone_books_maas/

Produced by: The Book Photographer, Justina Nekrasaite

www.thebookphotographer.com

This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Susan Michlovitz, Jeremy Jansen and Huis van het boek.

We are kicking things off with the amazing Nina Glockner - an artist, educator, publisher, and somatic practitioner based in Amsterdam.

Nina’s work is all about performative and collaborative processes, and in 2015, she founded n.k.g. publications, a platform that treats books as "space-time-containers." Instead of just documenting art, her publications unfold hidden and ephemeral aspects of creative work, making each book an experience of its own.

We dive into her unique approach to publishing, the magic of collaboration, and the role of books in capturing and reinterpreting moments in time.

And to wrap it all up, we ended with a beautiful quote from The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction by Ursula K. Le Guin.

Join us for this deep (and fun!) conversation about bookmaking beyond the pages.

Sneak peek into Nina's exciting upcoming projects:

Binnenzwemmer/ Innerswimmer by photographer Paulien Barbas,
Pink Days and Blue Νights (The Dancers) by artist Eleni Kamma,
URGENT - Residency for Artworks  by artist L. Puska 
Herzens gebruikt by jewlery artist Benedikt Fischer & artist Rudy de Gruyl. 

Explore Nina’s work:
Website: www.ninaglockner.de
Instagram: @nkg_publications
n.k.g. publications: www.ninaglockner.de/nkg_publications

Host: The Book Photographer, Justina Nekrasaite

www.thebookphotographer.com

This recording is possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, Susan Michlovitz and Huis van het boek.