The first rule of podcasting is that it takes 12 to 18 months to build anything that could be regarded as an audience - unless the podcast is Tales from the Departure Lounge.

Today, Kyle is joined by the show's hosts, the two higher ed legends, Andrew Plant and Nicholas Cuthbert, sharing their story of how they went from zero to 10,000 downloads in just 10 months.

Listen to Tales from the Departure Lounge, a show about travel for international student recruiters.