I talked to Brett McAfee, mostly a blacksmith,  about his journey as a maker and artist. He shares about how his teachers affected his thoughts and perspective on creativity and problem solving. We cover chaos and uncertainty as a source of inspiration and the spectrum from entertainment to art. There's a good bit about video games and we hardly mention Steve at all. 

Find Brett on Instagram @skullandspade13, Youtube, and his Podcast with Al and Steve, Fools with Tools where you can hear more about chaos just about every week. 

Sorry Mark Adams, not this time.