A conversation about the chaotic end to the 2024 Minnesota state legislative session with Dan Thomas-Commins, the self-styled parliamentary rules nerd who you might have seen running your local DFL convention. We talk about GOP obstruction; what might explain the DFL's seeming lack of urgency; how literal last minute procedural mistakes cost tens of millions in vital public investments; how the rules are actually whatever these legislative bodies say they are; and why it's ok that the political party in control of the state house, senate and governor's office are able to enact their agenda.

For the second half of the episode we talk about Dan's experience chairing DFL conventions. John asks Dan to imagine if he were recruited by a shadowy US government agency to be part of an elite team of parliamentarians deployed overseas -- how would he weaponize the rules to create mayhem for the deliberative bodies of America's enemies?

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