Comedy writer Armando Iannucci and journalist Helen Lewis decode the utterly baffling world of political language.

This week, the Government announced their plans for welfare reform, so we take a look at the language around welfare, around benefit claimants, and how it's changed over the years. Gone are the 'strivers vs shirkers' of the 2010s or even Peter Lilley's infamous 'little list' of the early 90s. This government talks of 'supporting people into work' and 'right to try', but with the savings they are making, do their actions match their rhetoric?

This episode has been edited to remove an inaccurate statement about the relative size of tax fraud compared to benefit fraud.

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