Build Boldly with Pat Rodgers

You’ve tried a new strategy, read another book, and pushed yourself harder. So why do you keep running into the same challenges? In this episode of Build Boldly, Allison Barber, Director of Marketing at RISE Commercial District, sits down with business and performance coach Pete Kadushin to explore what coaching can offer business owners, leaders, and other high achievers.

With a PhD in sport and exercise psychology and experience as an embedded mental performance coach with the Chicago Blackhawks, Pete brings lessons from elite sport into the everyday work of leading and growing a business. They discuss why delegation can feel uncomfortable, how constantly raising the bar can make success difficult to enjoy, and what becomes possible when you leave time in your calendar without a task attached. 

You’ll learn:

• How Pete approaches coaching: understanding where you are, identifying a compelling destination, and working with the gap between them.
• Why an urgent problem may not be the obstacle standing between you and your goal.
• How being the person with all the answers can make delegation difficult.
• Why achievement and the experience of success can feel different.
• What Pete means by negative space: time without an assignment or an optimization goal.
• How to explore coaching fit without rushing into a commitment.

If you’re looking to level up your leadership next year, it might be time to consider coaching.

Learn more: drkcoaching.com

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If more business came your way tomorrow, would you be ready for it? In this episode of Build Boldly, Pat Rodgers brings together highlights from three conversations about building a business that can support growth.

Dan Faber of Lucian explores repeatable sales systems for trade and service businesses. Rachel Coverdale of Coverdale Consulting connects marketing strategy to customers and revenue. Jim Sapp of RISE Commercial District shares a leadership perspective on delegation and helping teams take on more responsibility. 

Together, these conversations offer a practical way to assess how you sell, market, and lead, and decide where your business needs attention next. Listen for one change you can make now to better prepare for what comes next.

In this episode you’ll learn:

• Why a repeatable sales process matters when the owner is balancing multiple responsibilities.
• How understanding your ideal customer helps connect marketing and sales.
• Why marketing performance needs to be considered alongside business results.
• How delegation and team development support a growing company.
• How to choose one manageable next step rather than trying to address every growth challenge at once.

As you head into Q4, it’s time to think about what is required to take that next step. As a leader, you may recognize opportunities in all three areas. Want a deeper dive? All of these episodes were featured in our Smart Business Summer series.

Listen here:

- How to Build a Repeatable Sales Process for Trade & Service Businesses with Dan Faber of Lushin
- Marketing That Drives Revenue: Rachael Coverdale on Sales Alignment, ICPs, AI, and Finding the Right Marketing Partner
- Scaling Smarter with Founder & CEO Jim Sapp: Leadership Teams, Mentors, Small Bets, and the Story Behind RISE Commercial District

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What does it really look like to grow a business from a home-based hobby into a scaling commercial operation? In this episode of Build Boldly, host Pat Rodgers sits down with Jake Trejo, co-owner of Oakley and Hyde, a Cincinnati-based event rental and fabrication company creating custom pieces for weddings, corporate events, brand activations, and experiences across the Midwest.

Jake shares how he and his wife built Oakley and Hyde from a creative side project into a growing business. And they did it all while balancing full-time jobs, young kids, weekend events, late-night builds, and the constant pressure of needing more space.

Pat and Jake talk about the realities of scaling a small business: knowing when your garage is holding you back, reinvesting every dollar, moving from custom-only work into more repeatable inventory, creating a better client experience, and deciding when it is time to take the next risk.

Jake also shares how RISE helped Oakley and Hyde move out of the house and into a more professional, predictable, and flexible space, which gave them room to store inventory, meet clients, load their van, work in a cleaner environment, and grow with more confidence.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• How Oakley and Hyde grew from a home-based hobby into a scaling event rental and fabrication business
• Why space can become a major bottleneck for growing small businesses
• How Jake and his wife balance full-time jobs, family, and entrepreneurship
• Why reinvesting back into the business helped accelerate growth
• What they learned from moving out of the garage and into a commercial space
• How predictable costs and flexible space can reduce risk for early-stage businesses
• Why delegation may be the next big leap for growing operators
• How to know when it is time to stop making do and start building for the next stage

If you are a founder, operator, maker, contractor, creative business owner, or entrepreneur trying to grow beyond your garage, this conversation is a practical and honest look at what it takes to keep building, one smart leap at a time.

Learn more: @oakleyandhydedesigns

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What should small business owners ask before leasing warehouse, office, or flex space?

In this episode of Build Boldly, Pat Rodgers sits down with four RISE Commercial District managers for a practical, behind-the-scenes conversation about what prospective tenants really want to know before choosing a business space.

Together, Jay in Dublin, Akeem in Lewis Center, Neil in Toledo, and Avery in Greenwood share the questions business owners ask on tours, from shipping and receiving to 24/7 access, Google Business visibility, lease flexibility, climate control, garage door clearance, security, trash, signage, parking, and common area maintenance. They also share real tenant stories that show how RISE spaces support e-commerce brands, contractors, trades, salons, food trucks, wholesalers, satellite teams, and growing local businesses.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What prospective tenants should ask before signing a commercial lease
• Why flexible lease terms and scalable spaces matter for growing businesses
• How RISE supports shipping, receiving, deliveries, and forklift access
• Why 24/7 access, secure gated properties, and on-site managers create peace of mind
• What amenities tenants often forget to ask about, including trash, restrooms, conference rooms, and maintenance
• How RISE locations support e-commerce, trades, contractors, salons, and local service businesses
• Why tenant community can become a powerful resource for referrals, collaboration, and support

Whether you’re moving out of your garage, graduating from self-storage, expanding your service business, or looking for a more professional home base, this episode gives you a real-world look at what makes RISE a launchpad for growing small businesses.

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In this special behind-the-scenes episode of Build Boldly, Pat Rodgers sits down with Anthony Palmer, CEO and founder of Palm Tree Pod Co., the production partner behind the Build Boldly podcast.

Pat and Anthony get into why RISE created Build Boldly, how the show has evolved, and how businesses can use podcasts and long-form content to build trust, share customer stories, and create a content engine that supports marketing, sales, SEO, and community building.

Anthony explains why podcasting is not just about audio anymore. A single conversation can become a full ecosystem of content. He also shares why the most effective content is often the most authentic. It’s the kind that helps people feel seen, educated, connected, and understood.

Pat and Anthony discuss:

• Why every business has a story worth telling
• How podcasts help companies build trust without hard-selling
• Why niche content can be more valuable than chasing massive audiences
• How one podcast episode can fuel social media, email, blogs, YouTube, and SEO
• Why customer stories are such powerful marketing assets
• How small teams can start creating content without overcomplicating it
• Why consistency, systems, and support matter
• What business owners should stop doing when creating content

Whether you’re a founder, operator, service provider, or small business owner wondering how to show up online with more purpose, this episode offers a practical look at how content can become a long-term growth engine.

Learn more: palmtreepodco.com

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Franchising is not just a way to buy a business. For the right entrepreneur, it can be a strategy to scale smarter, reduce risk, build recurring revenue opportunities, and create long-term enterprise value.

In this episode of Build Boldly, host Pat Rodgers sits down with Anna Dey, franchise consultant, multi-brand operator, and founder of Franspot, to unpack how franchising can help entrepreneurs move from startup chaos to a more structured, supported path for growth.

Pat and Anna explore how operators can think strategically about growth, whether that means going deeper within one brand and market, expanding across complementary brands, or leveraging an existing customer base to create multiple revenue streams.

They also discuss the financial realities of franchising, including startup costs, net worth requirements, funding options, risk tolerance, and why working with a franchise consultant can help entrepreneurs filter through the noise and find the right fit.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The difference between a franchisor and a franchisee
• How franchising can create structure, support, and scalability
• Why some owners grow through depth while others grow through width
• What to consider before investing in a franchise opportunity
• How funding, net worth, and risk tolerance shape franchise decisions
• How a franchise consultant can help simplify the evaluation process

If you’re an entrepreneur, operator, or service business owner looking for a smarter way to scale, this conversation offers a practical framework for evaluating franchising as a path to growth, liquidity, and long-term business value.

Learn more: thefranspot.com

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Most buyers are not ready to buy the first time they see your business.

In this episode of Build Boldly, host Pat Rodgers sits down with Nicole Eldridge, Meta ads strategist and founder of Nicole Eldridge Media, to break down how small businesses can use Facebook and Instagram ads to build visibility, nurture leads, and drive real sales.

Nicole specializes in helping small and local businesses run effective Meta ad campaigns, from creative and targeting to retargeting, tracking, and SMS follow-up. In this conversation, she explains why Meta is still one of the most powerful advertising platforms for entrepreneurs, especially when businesses understand how to reach the 97% of buyers who are not ready to purchase yet.

You’ll learn:

• Why Facebook and Instagram ads still matter for small businesses
• How to create Meta ads that do not feel like traditional ads
• Why simple video and problem-focused creative often outperform polished flyers
• How retargeting helps businesses stay in front of warm audiences
• Why the Meta Pixel matters for tracking, optimization, and better ad performance
• How SMS follow-up can increase lead conversion
• What realistic timelines look like for Meta ad campaigns
• How to choose the right Facebook and Instagram ads partner

Nicole also shares why business owners need to understand the basics of Meta ads so they can make better decisions, avoid bad partners, and stop wasting ad spend, even if they plan to outsource.

For Build Boldly listeners, Nicole is offering a free Meta ads mini-course with the code BOLDLY, find it here: nicoleeldridgemedia.com

If you are a founder, operator, contractor, service provider, or small business owner trying to get more from your marketing budget, this episode gives you a practical starting point for building Meta ads that support long-term growth.

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If your business looks smaller online than it is in real life, your brand may be costing you opportunities.

In this episode of Build Boldly, host Pat Rodgers sits down with graphic and digital designer Riley Best to break down the difference between branding and marketing, and why both matter for small businesses, service companies, and growing brands trying to be found, trusted, and chosen.

Pat and Riley unpack why marketing helps people discover your business, while branding shapes how they feel once they find you. From websites and social media to Google Business profiles, online reviews, email domains, and visual identity, they explain how every digital touchpoint either builds trust or creates doubt.

You'll learn:

•  The difference between branding and marketing 
•  Why brand consistency directly impacts sales and conversions 
•  How outdated websites and scattered visuals can hurt credibility 
•  Why small businesses need clear messaging before scaling marketing 
•  How to define who you help, what problem you solve, and why customers should care 
•  Practical branding-on-a-budget steps for business owners 
•  When to evolve your brand without alienating your core audience 
•  How AI, search behavior, reviews, and digital research are changing the way customers evaluate businesses 

If you’re relying on referrals but want to grow beyond word-of-mouth, this episode gives you a practical starting point for building a stronger brand foundation that helps the right customers find you, trust you, and take action.

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In this episode of Build Boldly, Pat Rodgers sits down with entrepreneur and RISE Commercial District founder Jim Sapp to unpack the lessons behind scaling multiple high-growth businesses.

Jim shares how he grew Indie Lube to 50 locations across the Midwest, why he learned early that no founder can scale alone, and how that experience helped shape the vision for RISE Commercial District. From hiring key leaders in operations, sales, finance, and accounting to building a bench of mentors across real estate, finance, and leadership, Jim offers practical insight for business owners navigating growth.

Pat and Jim also talk about how to test new ideas without overextending, why small bets can protect your business from expensive mistakes, and how to know when it’s time to let go of control, failed experiments, or team members who are not aligned with the company’s future.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why founders need to build around key roles early
• How mentors and advisors help de-risk big decisions
• Why passion and ownership matter when hiring
• How to test ideas before investing too heavily
• Why leadership is about communication, not control
• How RISE Commercial District grew from real entrepreneurial lessons

If you’re a founder, operator, or small business owner trying to scale beyond yourself, this conversation is packed with hard-earned advice on leadership, team building, mentorship, and smart growth.

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Marketing should not live in a silo. In this episode of Build Boldly, host Pat Rodgers sits down with Rachael Coverdale, CEO and founder of Coverdale Consulting, to break down how growing businesses can turn marketing into a true revenue engine. Rachael brings more than a decade of experience helping companies build marketing strategies rooted in sales alignment, customer understanding, analytics, and long-term business goals.

Together, Pat and Rachael unpack why marketing and sales have to work together, how founders can move beyond the idea that they can “sell to everyone,” and why defining your Ideal Client Profile is one of the most important steps in building a focused, effective marketing strategy.

They also cover how to evaluate modern marketing channels, use analytics to make better decisions, leverage AI for research and brainstorming, and avoid common mistakes when hiring agencies, consultants, or in-house marketers.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

•  Why marketing must be tied directly to revenue and sales goals 
•  How to define your Ideal Client Profile and buyer personas 
•  Why internal communication and culture matter in external marketing 
•  How to use analytics, engagement metrics, and sales feedback together 
•  Where AI fits into modern marketing strategy 
•  Why consistency matters more than chasing every new channel 
•  What red flags to watch for when choosing a marketing partner 

If you’re a founder, operator, or business owner trying to make smarter marketing investments, this episode gives you a practical playbook for building a cohesive, ROI-driven strategy that actually supports growth.

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Build Boldly is produced by Palm Tree Pod Co.