In Part 2 of this dynamic 3-part interview, Pastor Brian Houston continues his in-depth conversation with Pastor Jonathan Shuttlesworth offering rare insights into the mindset, moments, and ministry decisions that shaped one of the most influential church movements of our time.

This episode goes far beyond surface-level leadership talk. Pastor Brian opens up about the internal shifts that changed how he saw God—and how that revelation transformed the way he led people. Moving from a performance-based, fear-driven view of God to one rooted in grace, favor, and vision marked a turning point not just in his preaching, but in the very culture of Hillsong Church.

Together, Pastors Brian and Jonathan discuss the difference between simply attracting a crowd and building a healthy, sustainable church community. Brian shares why some leaders rise with momentum but fade without maturity—and how Pastor Brian cultivated a sense of mission that kept key leaders grounded, loyal, and thriving long-term. The conversation touches on the challenges of growth, the dangers of ego, and the subtle line between leading a ministry and letting it lead you.

The episode is rich with practical wisdom on vision, legacy, and what it means to lead with both power and humility in a rapidly changing world.

Whether you're in ministry, business, or simply passionate about building something that matters, this conversation will inspire you to think bigger, lead better, and believe deeper.

If you missed Part 1, be sure to go back and listen—then stay tuned for the powerful conclusion in Part 3 next Wednesday!

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