In this episode of BUILT TO LAST, Rob Sperry interviews Ørjan Sæle, Co-Founder of Zinzino, about revolutionizing direct selling through a customer-first philosophy.

Discover how test-based nutrition proves results and transforms retention from months to loyal customer relationships, and why Ørjan's journey from field experience to building a global company demonstrates the power of a business model that is truly BUILT TO LAST.

What does it take to achieve 33 consecutive years of year-over-year growth in direct selling? In this episode of BUILT TO LAST, Rob Sperry sits down with Stuart MacMillan, President of the Americas for PM-International, to explore the most consistent success story in the channel's history.

Hear Stuart's vision to make PM-International #1 in the Americas and discover how the three P's—Product, Pay and People—have created the foundation for a company that is truly BUILT TO LAST.

¿Qué sucede cuando una idea revolucionaria se encuentra con una innovación constante? En este episodio de BUILT TO LAST, descubre cómo LifeWave logró un crecimiento exponencial en los últimos seis años, redefiniendo el potencial humano a través de la innovación, la tecnología de luz patentada y una visión incansable.

Rob Sperry conversa con el Fundador y CEO David Schmidt y con la Presidenta Meredith Berkich para explorar la mentalidad, cultura y estrategia de producto que hacen de LifeWave una empresa verdaderamente BUILT TO LAST y líder en el futuro del bienestar.

What happens when a revolutionary idea meets relentless innovation? In this episode of the BUILT TO LAST podcast, discover how LifeWave achieved 30x growth in the past 6 years and redefined human potential through innovation, patented light technology products and relentless vision.

Rob Sperry sits down with Founder and CEO David Schmidt and President Meredith Berkich to explore the mindset, culture and product strategy that make LifeWave truly BUILT TO LAST and positioned to lead the future of wellness.

The Real Legacy Is What You Build When No One's Watching

The final chapter is a reminder that what you build isn't just a business—it's a legacy. Rob leaves listeners with a challenge to lead differently, think longer, and build something worth believing in. The channel's future will be shaped by the choices you make today.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why legacy is built in the quiet moments, not the loud ones
• How to become the kind of leader people trust—even when it's hard
• What matters most after the lights, the launches, and the limelight

From Concept to Culture: How to Lock in Long-Term Change

Great companies aren't built by accident—they're locked in by design. This episode covers how to operationalize the principles of the book inside your organization. From onboarding to events to systems, this is about turning belief into behavior and behavior into results.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• How to align every department to your core values
• Why internal clarity leads to external credibility
• What it takes to institutionalize momentum

The Legacy Play: Build to Endure, Not Just to Impress

True legacy companies prioritize stability, culture and people over quick wins. They train for depth, reinforce systems, and build with the next generation in mind. Legacy is created when leaders build something bigger than themselves—something others want to fight for and sustain. In today's "Trust Recession," restoring belief and casting enduring vision is the only path to meaningful impact. Legacy isn't a trend—it's the foundation for lasting trust.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• The unspoken habits of companies that go the distance
• Why culture and consistency beat speed
• How to reframe challenges as signals, not stop signs

Building for Legacy: Intentional Foundations Over Flashy Fixes

Legacy in direct selling isn't built on hype, apps or quick wins—it's built through intentional infrastructure, cultural integrity and long-term vision. Many companies fail by chasing growth before building trust or by letting private equity prioritize profit over people. The best companies invest in scalable tools, transparent leadership and community-first strategies that respect the emotional, grassroots nature of the field. Poor decisions at the top—not the field—undermine loyalty and longevity. Ultimately, how you build determines what you become.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why infrastructure, not hype, determines longevity
• The warning signs of a short-term mindset
• How to protect your mission from the pressures of fast money

Compliance: Culture's Greatest Safeguard

Compliance isn't a department—it's a cultural cornerstone. When handled poorly, it feels like the "sales prevention department," but when embedded into company values, it protects and empowers. The most successful companies teach compliance early, often and clearly, making it part of onboarding, team training and leadership modeling. Real compliance creates trust—not fear. It safeguards reputation; ensures long-term scalability; and invites the field to become partners in protection. In today's landscape, compliance is more than policy—it's cultural trust insurance.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why compliance is actually a growth lever
• How to create a culture of protection, not just prevention
• The power of transparency in today's skeptical market

Infrastructure and Tools: Build to Empower, Not Replace

Infrastructure is the invisible backbone that enables sustainable growth in direct selling. It must support—not substitute—human connection and leadership. While tools like CRMs, apps and AI can streamline onboarding and duplication, overcomplicated or misused systems become crutches that erode trust. Companies like Toyota thrived by empowering people with simple, scalable systems. Others, like United Sciences of America, collapsed from overreliance on hype without operational depth. The best tools are plug-and-play, field-tested, and tied to income-producing behaviors—supporting trust, not vanity.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why smart infrastructure decisions are the ultimate long play
• How to keep your systems aligned with your culture and vision
• The one test every tool must pass before you launch it