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In this episode, we discuss:
Matt Botterbusch is a Commander with the Use of Force Review Unit, an FBI National Academy graduate, and a certified forensic video technician. He has extensive experience in tactical operations, SWAT leadership, drug interdiction, firearms instruction, control tactics, and critical incident analysis.
He is also the co-founder of First State Force Review LLC, an organization focused on use-of-force analysis, consultation, and training. His professional credentials include FBI National Academy #298, IADLEST Nationally Certified Instructor, and LEVA Certified Forensic Video Technician.
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Professional background:
Podcast: Bullet Proof Podcast
2. Why Understanding the “Why” Matters
3. Body-Worn Cameras and Police Accountability
4. Viral Videos and Missing Context
5. Perspective Distortion in Body-Camera Footage
6. Human Performance Under Stress
7. Reviewing Force Objectively
8. Real-World Decision-Making and Public Expectations
9. Advanced Forensic Video Technology
10. Tasers and Foot Pursuits
11. De-Escalation and Mental Health Crises
12. Accountability Within Law Enforcement
13. Memory After Critical Incidents
14. Lessons for Officers and the Public
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Guest: Jeffrey Lewis
Guest background: Retired Miami-Dade homicide detective, U.S. Air Force veteran, volunteer cold case homicide detective, former Seminole County Sheriff's Office professional, and board member of the National Homicide Investigators Association.
Hosted by: Steve Stanulis
In this episode:
Jeffrey Lewis is a retired law enforcement professional whose career included military service, robbery investigations, homicide investigations, and cold case work. His experience offers a perspective on the realities of major crime investigations and the persistence required to pursue justice for victims and their families.
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Guest: Meagan McCarthy
About the Guest
Meagan McCarthy is a keynote speaker, author, law enforcement and victim advocate, and wellness and resiliency trainer specializing in mental health. After serving as a law enforcement officer, surviving a life-threatening shooting, and navigating significant mental health challenges, she dedicated herself to helping others understand trauma, resilience, and recovery.
Topics Covered
Meagan emphasizes that mental health challenges can affect anyone, regardless of occupation or background. Her advocacy encourages people to seek support, access appropriate resources, and recognize that resilience is not always visible from the outside.
Content Note: This episode includes discussions of gun violence, traumatic injuries, PTSD, addiction, and suicidal behavior.
If you or someone you know is experiencing a mental health crisis in the United States, call or text 988 for the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.
Stay connected with Bulletproof Podcast for more conversations with people whose real-life experiences reveal the challenges, resilience, and stories behind the headlines.
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Guest: Joe Scargill
Position: Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Secret Service — Jacksonville Division
Also: Keynote Speaker
Host: Steve Stanulis
Podcast: Bulletproof True Crime
“What’s supposed to be here—and what isn’t?”
Joe explains how identifying abnormalities can be an important part of assessing a crowd.
Training over instinct.
During the rapid-fire segment, Joe chooses training when asked whether instinct or training matters more.
Fear can be useful.
Joe describes fear as something that can serve a purpose rather than simply being something to eliminate.
The threat that concerns him most today:
Joe points to radicalization on the internet, particularly individuals going down online rabbit holes.
For aspiring Secret Service agents:
Joe explains that the agency is actively looking for qualified applicants across special-agent, Secret Service Police, administrative, professional, technical, medical, scientific, and IT roles.
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00:00 – Introduction
Steve introduces Mike Moulton and discusses the reality of policing beyond what people see on television.
01:45 – Why Mike Became a Police Officer
Mike explains how his father and a high-school football coach influenced his decision to pursue law enforcement.
03:20 – Starting the Police Academy at 20
Mike shares what it was like entering the academy at a young age and turning 21 while in training.
05:00 – Being a Young Officer in the Real World
Steve and Mike discuss the strange reality of being a young officer expected to handle serious situations and act as “the adult in the room.”
07:40 – From Officer to Police Chief
Mike breaks down his career progression through patrol, investigations, sergeant, lieutenant, captain and ultimately chief.
12:50 – The Race to Become Chief
Why timing, opportunity and career decisions can determine whether an officer gets the chance to become a chief.
15:15 – The Pressure of Being the Chief
Mike explains why a nighttime lieutenant can essentially become the decision-maker for an entire department—and what changes when you become chief.
16:40 – “There Are No Guardrails Anymore”
Mike reveals one of the biggest surprises of becoming police chief: having fewer people above you to challenge or correct your decisions.
19:00 – The Politics of Running a Police Department
Mike discusses the competing expectations of officers, the community, city leadership and elected officials.
25:00 – Leaving Policing Behind
Mike opens up about the difficult transition from being a police chief to civilian life.
27:20 – Finding a New Purpose After Retirement
How consulting work and creating a dedicated workspace helped Mike rebuild structure and routine after nearly 30 years in policing.
32:00 – Would He Become a Police Officer Again?
Mike reflects on his career and discusses whether he would make the same decision again.
33:00 – The Crisis in Police Recruiting
Mike discusses changes in police recruiting, applicant numbers and the challenges departments face attracting new officers.
36:00 – Why Mass Hiring Can Create New Problems
The conversation turns to hiring standards, training and the potential consequences of departments trying to quickly fill vacancies.
38:00 – The Modern Police Officer
Mike discusses the pressures facing today's officers and how policing has changed from earlier generations.
39:45 – Use of Force & Officer Decision-Making
Mike explains how officers think about force and how today's officers may face considerations that previous generations didn't have to deal with.
43:20 – Rapid-Fire Questions
Mike answers questions about policing, leadership, decision-making, public safety and what makes a great officer.
45:30 – Mike Moulton’s Work in Public Safety Technology
Mike explains his consulting work with public safety technology companies and how he helps technology companies bring their products into policing.
46:15 – AI & The Future of Policing
Mike discusses how artificial intelligence and emerging technology are changing traditional policing.
46:35 – Helping Startups Enter Law Enforcement
Mike explains how his consulting work helps early-stage technology companies gain a foothold within police departments.
47:00 – Closing
Mike shares where listeners can connect with him, followed by Steve's closing remarks.
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Scott Hughes has spent decades in law enforcement and currently serves as a police chief while also working as a consultant, instructor, podcast host, and advocate for the law-enforcement profession.
One of the central themes of the conversation is leadership after promotion. Scott explains why he continues to view himself as "just a cop with rank" and why leaders need to remember where they came from. He argues that effective leadership is ultimately about taking care of your people, giving them the resources they need, holding them accountable, and helping them become better than you.
Steve and Scott then tackle the controversial issue of police promotions. Scott argues that traditional systems based heavily on seniority and written examinations don't necessarily identify the best leaders. In his view, qualities such as communication, officer safety, decision-making, mentoring, and performance under pressure should play a greater role.
The discussion then moves behind the scenes of being a chief. Scott explains that some of the hardest decisions aren't made on the street—they involve personnel, assignments, discipline, and internal department issues that directly affect people's lives.
Another major topic is officer stress and burnout. Scott connects excessive hours, night shifts, court appearances, off-duty work, and inadequate recovery to shortened tempers and unhealthy coping mechanisms. He explains how stress can spill over into officers' personal lives and contribute to alcohol abuse and domestic problems.
Scott also discusses the danger of spending too much energy worrying about things an officer cannot control—from decisions made by chiefs and mayors to promotions, policies, and political issues. His argument is blunt: officers need to recognize what they can control and avoid allowing external frustrations to consume them.
The episode also examines modern police training, with Scott criticizing the overreliance on webinars and policy-based testing. Knowing a policy on paper, he argues, is not the same as being able to apply it while experiencing the stress of a real incident.
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In this episode, Charles Ramsey discusses:
Guest: Charles Ramsey
Former Commissioner, Philadelphia Police Department
Former Chief, Metropolitan Police Department, Washington, D.C.
Founding Partner, 21st Century Policing Solutions
Advisor to the U.S. Conference of Mayors
Host: Steve Stanulis
Podcast: Bullet Proof
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