Paul, Dan and Dave talk about what it’s like to lead a murder investigation, interacting with the families of victims, and how DNA is changing the way murder investigations are conducted. WARNING: This episode contains graphic descriptions of sex crimes and violence. Listener discretion is advised. 

Special Guest: Paul Holes: Paul Holes spent the majority of his 27-year career investigating cold cases and serial-predator crimes in the Bay Area of California. Just before he retired in April 2018, Paul led the team that broke the Golden State Killer case, which brought him worldwide acclaim. Other notable cases he’s worked on include The Zodiac, Laci Peterson, Jaycee Dugard, Darryl Kemp, Joseph Naso, and Joseph Cordova Jr. Paul recently released an audiobook titled “Evil Has a Name” which is available on Audible. You can also hear him on the true-crime podcast, "The Murder Squad.” which he co-hosts with investigative journalist Billy Jensen.

Oh, and check out our Patreon at patreon.com/smalltowndickspodcast