Burnout to Brilliance by Balanceology

The world needs more kindness. But what happens when our desire to be kind becomes so deeply woven into our sense of who we are that we find ourselves giving more than we have available?

In this episode of Burnout to Brilliance, Jayne Morris MCC is joined by money coach Ray Dodd to explore the shadow side of kindness, and how our conditioning around being good, helpful and accommodating can lead us towards overgiving, resentment and burnout.

Drawing on Ray's work with women and money, the conversation explores how expectations around kindness can influence the way we value ourselves, the boundaries we hold and the choices we make.

Together, Jayne and Ray reflect on why saying no can feel so uncomfortable, particularly when we're accustomed to being the person who steps forward to help, and how we can begin to recognise the difference between freely extending kindness and feeling obliged to give at our own expense.

In this episode, we explore:

• Why kindness can become closely connected with our sense of identity and worth
• How social conditioning can encourage overgiving and self-sacrifice
• The discomfort of disappointing others and challenging expectations
• Why resentment can sometimes offer an important signal that something needs attention
• The role of boundaries, connection and self-understanding in creating more sustainable ways of giving
• How we can remain kind without continually having to prove it

Jayne also reflects on her own experience of overgiving as part of her burnout story, and the importance of remembering that we deserve the same kindness we often to readily extend to others.

A thought-provoking conversation for anyone who values kindness and wants to explore how to practise it in a way that is sustainable.

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Ray Dodd: https://www.raydodd.co.uk

Jayne Morris: https://www.jaynemorris.com

Balanceology: https://balanceology.uk

Explore the Certified Burnout Coach Programme: [Programme link]

This podcast is for education and reflection and is not a substitute for individual mental health support.

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

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Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

What happens when certainty is mistaken for capability, charm disguises harm, and everybody around a difficult leader is waiting for somebody else to speak?

Psychotherapist, executive coach and former C-suite headhunter Kathleen Saxton returns to Burnout to Brilliance to explore the psychology of toxic power and the workplace conditions that allow it to flourish.

Building on recent conversations about narcissism, trauma and the Dark Triad, Jayne and Kathleen consider why particular traits can be rewarded in leadership, why people may feel unable to leave damaging environments, and how prolonged exposure to control, unpredictability and self-doubt can contribute to burnout.

In this episode, we explore…

• The Dark Triad of narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy, and how these traits may overlap in leadership
• Why confidence, decisiveness and charisma can be mistaken for competence
• The “charm before the storm” and our need for safety, direction and belonging
• Why leaving a harmful workplace is not always simple
• How silence, bystanderism and self-doubt can allow damaging patterns to continue
• Why whistleblowers can become scapegoated and the importance of safe allies
• How sustained threat and relational unpredictability can affect the nervous system and contribute to burnout
• Practical routes towards greater agency, including documenting patterns, maintaining boundaries and seeking support
• Kathleen’s approach of “love and rockets”, combining care with courage, preparation, evidence and a clear outcome

A key theme running through the conversation is the impact of silence. When nobody else acknowledges troubling behaviour, we can begin to question our own perception. Alongside workload, this can create an invisible demand of monitoring, anticipating, documenting and second-guessing that becomes profoundly depleting over time.

Jayne and Kathleen explore what individuals, colleagues and organisations can do to recognise these dynamics and begin creating change.

About Kathleen Saxton

Kathleen Saxton is a psychotherapist, speaker and author whose work brings together psychological insight and extensive corporate experience. Before qualifying as a psychotherapist, she built a successful career in media, held senior board positions and founded a C-suite headhunting business.

She is the author of My Parent the Peacock: Discovery and Recovery from Narcissistic Parenting and Sly and Mighty: How to Recognize, Resist and Rise Above Toxic Power.

Resources & concepts mentioned

• Sly and Mighty: How to Recognize, Resist and Rise Above Toxic Power – Kathleen Saxton
• My Parent the Peacock: Discovery and Recovery from Narcissistic Parenting – Kathleen Saxton
• The Dark Triad: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy
• The bystander effect
• Attachment theory and the work of John Bowlby
• The physiological sigh and other nervous-system regulation practices

Related podcast episodes

• S4E7 – The Dark Triad and Burnout with Dannielle Haig
• S4E6 – ACEs and Burnout with Linda Lewis
• S4E5 – Burnout, Trauma and the Nervous System with Dr Susanna Petche
• S4E4 – Narcissism and Burnout with Kathleen Saxton

About Jayne Morris

Jayne Morris MCC is the UK’s leading Executive Burnout Coach, founder of Balanceology and author of Burnout to Brilliance: Strategies for Sustainable Success. She helps individuals and organisations prevent and recover from burnout through evidence-informed coaching, integrative art psychotherapy and somatic approaches.

Links

Kathleen Saxton & Psyched Ventures:
https://psychedventures.com/

Sly and Mighty – book information:
https://psychedventures.com/publications/

Jayne Morris:
https://www.jaynemorris.com/

Balanceology:
https://www.balanceology.uk/

Connect

Kathleen Saxton on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleensaxton/

Jayne Morris on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynemorrismcc/

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Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

Throughout Series Four of Burnout to Brilliance, we've been exploring some of the less visible contributors to burnout. We've looked beyond workload to consider the influence of trauma, nervous system regulation, adverse childhood experiences and narcissistic relationship dynamics.

In this episode, we continue that conversation by exploring another fascinating, and often misunderstood, psychological concept: the Dark Triad.

Joined by business psychologist and therapist Dannielle Haig, we unpack the three personality traits that make up the Dark Triad: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy.  We explore how these traits can quietly shape workplace cultures, leadership behaviours and the psychological wellbeing of the people around them.

Importantly, this is not a conversation about labelling people or encouraging armchair diagnosis.

Instead, it is a thoughtful exploration of why certain personality patterns emerge, how they influence organisations, and why prolonged exposure to relational unpredictability can leave even highly capable people feeling emotionally exhausted, hypervigilant and, ultimately, burnt out.

In this episode we explore:

• What psychologists mean by the Dark Triad
• The differences between narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy
• Why these personality traits often overlap
• How childhood experiences and early environments may contribute to personality development
• Why some leaders rise rapidly despite leaving psychological damage behind them
• The relationship between power, charisma and organisational success
• How chronic relational uncertainty creates emotional hypervigilance
• Why burnout is often driven by relationships rather than workload alone
• Why high-performing professionals frequently over-adapt around toxic leadership
• The importance of psychological safety, recovery and supportive relationships in protecting against burnout

Constant Emotional Calculation is Exhausting...

One of the greatest drains on our energy when working with controlling leaders is the constant emotional calculation involved.

As Dannielle explains, our brains are wired to seek safety through predictability.

When we're continually walking on eggshells, second-guessing reactions, managing moods or anticipating the next unexpected interaction, our nervous systems rarely get the opportunity to settle.

Over time, heightened emotional hypervigilance becomes exhausting.

It slowly consumes the very cognitive, emotional and relational resources we rely upon to stay well.

This conversation reinforces how burnout can arise because of walking on eggshells for too long within environments and relationships that don’t feel psychologically safe.

About Dannielle Haig

Dannielle Haig is a Business Psychologist, Therapist and Executive Coach whose work explores the intersection between personality, leadership and organisational psychology.

Drawing together research from psychology, neuroscience and business, she works with organisations and senior leaders to better understand complex personality dynamics in the workplace, helping teams navigate the challenges that can arise when high-performing individuals also display darker personality traits.

Her research spans the neuroscience of personality, psychometric assessment and organisational behaviour, alongside a professional doctorate exploring female resilience in high-pressure, male-dominated environments.

Resources mentioned during the conversation

• The Prince - Niccolò Machiavelli 
• Stop Walking on Eggshells - Paul Mason & Randi Kreger 
• Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle - Emily Nagoski & Amelia Nagoski 
• Research by Professor Adrian Furnham on workplace derailers 

Connect with Dannielle Haig

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannielle-haig/

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynemorrismcc/

Continue the conversation

If this episode resonated with you, you may also enjoy:

• Narcissism and Burnout with Kathleen Saxton
• Adverse Childhood Experiences and Burnout with Linda Lewis
• Trauma, the Nervous System and Burnout with Dr Susanna Petche

Together, these conversations build a broader understanding of how our relationships, environments and nervous systems shape our capacity to thrive.

About Jayne Morris

Jayne Morris MCC is one of the UK's leading Executive Burnout Coaches and founder of Balanceology.

She works with senior leaders, organisations and coaches to understand burnout through a whole-person lens, combining coaching psychology, neuroscience, nervous system regulation and relational awareness to help people move beyond survival towards sustainable success.

Jayne is the author of Burnout to Brilliance: Strategies for Sustainable Success and host of the Burnout to Brilliance podcast.

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

The Survival Strategies We Forget We Learned with Linda Lewis

Children are remarkably adaptive.  When life feels unsafe, unpredictable or overwhelming, they find ways to cope. They learn what helps them stay safe, avoid conflict, gain approval, reduce threat or simply make it through the day.

The challenge is that these strategies can stay with us beyond childhood and become the way we cope with everything, throughout our adult lives.

In this episode of the Burnout to Brilliance Podcast, Jayne Morris MCC is joined by Linda Lewis to explore the often-overlooked relationship between Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs), adult coping patterns and burnout.

Together they discuss how childhood adversity can shape nervous system development, influence relationships, affect self-trust and quietly contribute to the ways people respond to pressure, responsibility and stress throughout adult life.

This is a compassionate and insightful conversation about survival, adaptation, trust and the possibility of understanding ourselves differently.

In this episode we explore:

• What Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) are
• How childhood adversity can influence nervous system development
• Why survival strategies often continue into adulthood
• Hypervigilance, people pleasing and burnout
• Trust, relationships and psychological safety
• The connection between childhood experiences and adult health
• Why some people struggle to ask for help
• The empowering role of awareness and psychoeducation
• Creating pathways towards healing, support and recovery

About the Guest

Linda Lewis is a survivor advocate, trainer and specialist in the field of domestic abuse, sexual abuse and trauma awareness. Through her professional work supporting survivors and raising awareness of Adverse Childhood Experiences, Linda helps individuals and organisations better understand the long-term impact of trauma, abuse and adversity.

Drawing upon both professional expertise and lived experience, Linda is passionate about empowering survivors through education, awareness and access to support. Her work highlights the importance of understanding trauma not simply through what happened, but through the ways people adapt in order to survive.

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Resources & Links

📖 The Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/about.html

🌐 The Survivors Trust:  https://thesurvivorstrust.org

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

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LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

Many people think of trauma as something dramatic that happened in the past.

Yet trauma often leaves its mark not through a single event itself, or accumulation of experiences, but through the adaptations we make in order to survive it.

In this episode of the Burnout to Brilliance Podcast, Jayne Morris MCC is joined by Dr Susanna Petche to explore the often-overlooked relationship between trauma, nervous system regulation and burnout.

Together they unpack how unresolved experiences can quietly shape the way we move through life, influencing our capacity, relationships, decision-making and ability to rest. They explore how coping strategies that once protected us can become exhausting to sustain over time and why burnout is often far more complex than workload alone.

This is a compassionate and thought-provoking conversation that challenges simplistic views of burnout and invites a deeper understanding of what may be happening beneath the surface.

In this episode, we explore:

• The connection between trauma history and burnout 
• Why trauma is not defined by the event itself but by its impact 
• How the nervous system adapts in order to stay safe 
• The hidden cost of long-term survival strategies 
• Fight, flight, freeze, flop and fawn responses 
• Why burnout often develops gradually over time 
• The role of psychological safety in recovery 
• The difference between coaching and therapy 
• Why self-awareness alone is not always enough 
• Creating pathways towards healing, support and sustainable recovery 

About the guest

Dr Susanna Petche is the founder of Trauma Sense and creator of the C-Sense methodology. A former GP with over 25 years' experience, she holds an MSc in Psychological Trauma and specialises in helping people understand the lasting impact of trauma on health, wellbeing, relationships and performance.

Susanna was the Clinical Lead and Lead Programme Designer for ConnectionWorks, an NHS-funded 12-month programme supporting people living with complex PTSD, and is a former award-winning GP teacher and Clinical Facilitator at Brighton and Sussex Medical School.

Her 2025 TEDx talk, Is Trauma Costing You Your Future?, further established her as a leading voice in trauma-informed practice in the UK.

Through her work with coaches, healthcare professionals and organisations, Susanna helps people make sense of how past experiences can shape present-day patterns, relationships and resilience, bringing a compassionate, practical and trauma-informed perspective to recovery and growth.

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Resources & links

🌐 Dr Susanna Petche on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-susanna-petche/

Website:

https://www.trauma-sense.com/

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

In this episode of the Burnout to Brilliance Podcast by Balanceology, I’m joined by psychotherapist Kathleen Saxton to explore a topic that often sits quietly beneath the surface of burnout, narcissistic relational dynamics. Together, we unpack how these patterns can shape our sense of self, our capacity, and our decision-making in ways that are not always immediately visible, yet can have a profound cumulative impact over time.

This conversation moves beyond the more visible aspects of burnout and into the relational environments that can subtly erode confidence, clarity and self-trust. We explore how individuals can find themselves working harder and harder within dynamics that never quite feel steady or secure, often without fully realising why it feels so difficult to sustain.

What emerges is a deeper understanding of how burnout is not always about workload alone, but about the ongoing internal effort required to navigate inconsistency, manage expectations, and make sense of shifting relational ground.

What we explore in this episode

In this conversation, we explore:

• how narcissistic relational dynamics can show up in both personal and professional contexts 
• the “drip, drip, drip” impact of subtle inconsistency and shifting expectations 
• why individuals may increase effort even when something doesn’t feel right 
• how self-trust can become eroded over time 
• the connection between relational dynamics and burnout development 
• early signs that something may be unsustainable 

Why this matters for burnout

Burnout often develops gradually, shaped by patterns that are difficult to name at first. When relational dynamics require ongoing vigilance, adaptation or over-effort, this can place sustained pressure on the nervous system.

Over time, what begins as coping can become significant depletion.

Bringing awareness to these patterns can open up new pathways for recovery, ones that are rooted not in pushing harder, but in understanding more deeply what our system has really been responding to.

About the guest

Kathleen Saxton is a psychotherapist, corporate mediator and media advisor, as well as a bestselling author and regular contributor to ITV’s This Morning and Stylist. She is the author of My Parent the Peacock, a compassionate and practical guide to understanding, recovering from and healing the impact of narcissistic parenting and early relational wounds.

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Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube

Resources & links

🌐 Kathleen Saxton: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleensaxton/
📘 Kathleen’s Book: https://tinyurl.com/3xww949m

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

In this episode, the conversation explores the often‑overlooked relationship between quietness, stress and burnout, and why understanding what lies beneath behaviour is essential for healthy workplaces.

Our host, Jayne Morris MCC, the UK’s Leading Executive Burnout Coach, is joined by author and coach Pete Mosley, who works with quiet people and the leaders who support them. Drawing on insights from his books A Leader's Guide to Working with Quiet People and The Quiet Person's Guide, Pete shares his journey of understanding his own quietness and introduces his “iceberg” model, which helps explain what may be happening beneath the surface.

Together, they explore the difference between quietness and introversion, how early labelling shapes identity, and what leaders often miss when they focus only on outward behaviour. They discuss masking, deep processing and the stress response in fast‑paced cultures, why quiet withdrawal can signal burnout, and how resentment builds when needs go unspoken. They also look at how nervous system activation affects thinking, confidence and contribution.

Jayne and Pete offer practical ways leaders can create psychologically safe, inclusive meetings, including buddy systems, amplification strategies and reframing asking for help as courage and growth. They highlight the importance of nervous system regulation in high‑pressure environments and how small grounding techniques can support quieter team members.

This episode shows how burnout is rarely sudden. For many quieter professionals, it can be a gradual dimming - a slow withdrawal in response to environments that move too quickly, speak too loudly or overlook deeper processing styles. Jayne and Pete discuss the shared responsibility between individuals and organisations, and the role leaders can play in protecting reflective thinkers whose contributions may be quieter but no less valuable.

A central message: “It is alright to be quiet. The world needs quiet people.”
Themes:
Psychological safety • Inclusive leadership • Processing speed • Stress chemistry • Cultural norms • Meeting design • Burnout prevention
Practical approaches (non‑clinical):
Structured pauses • Buddy systems • Amplification • Breathing and grounding • Subtle regulation tools • Stress‑response education

Books:
A Leader's Guide to Working with Quiet People – Pete Mosley
The Quiet Person's Guide – Pete Mosley

LinkedIn:
Jayne Morris: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynemorrismcc/
Balanceology: https://www.linkedin.com/company/1200854
Pete Mosley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petemosley/

Final note:
Quietness is not a weakness — it may be a strength to be understood.

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

This special edition, extended episode explores the complex relationship between mental health, burnout and suicidality, and why honest, compassionate conversations can be life-saving.

Our host, Jayne Morris MCC, the UK’s Leading Executive Burnout Coach, is joined by Laurence Davies, who brings both lived experience and extensive professional experience from senior leadership roles within the UK mental health charity sector.

Together, they explore:

• Mental health stigma and why it still prevents people seeking help
• Burnout as a risk amplifier for mental health distress
• Suicidal ideation as more common and more survivable than many people realise
• Why asking directly about suicide does not make things worse
• How individuals, leaders and organisations can create cultures of care
• The importance of prevention, early intervention and shared responsibility

Mental Health Stats: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/mental-health-facts-and-statistics/

Content note
This episode includes discussion of suicide, suicidal ideation, self-harm and burnout. The conversation is held with care and hope, but please listen in a way that feels supportive for you. If you need immediate support, please consider the resources below.

Support & crisis resources
UK support:
Samaritans
24/7 emotional support for anyone experiencing distress or suicidal thoughts
Phone: 116 123
Website: https://www.samaritans.org

Mind
Information, advice and support on mental health problems and crisis services
Website: https://www.mind.org.uk

Rethink Mental Illness
Support, information and advocacy for people living with mental illness
Website: https://www.rethink.org

GP / Primary Care Doctor (UK)
Your GP can help with referrals, medication, talking therapies and local crisis services.

NHS Crisis Teams (UK)
Local mental health crisis services are available in many areas — often without a 

GP referral.
More information: https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/get-help/urgent-help/
International listeners

If you are outside the UK, you can find international helplines via: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines

Workplace approaches discussed: mental‑health‑informed leadership, core coaching skills (active listening and presence), external facilitation for cultural change, and blended coaching‑mentoring to support sustainable organisational wellbeing.

Personal practices referenced (non-clinical)

These were shared as personal supports, not prescriptions: Meditation, Yoga, Time in nature, Walking, Reducing or stopping alcohol during periods of recovery.

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

In this episode of the Burnout to Brilliance Podcast (formerly The Art of Balance), Jayne Morris MCC introduces a deeply insightful conversation with Dr Richard Duggins, consultant psychiatrist and author of Burnout-Free Working. Together, they explore what it truly means to work and live, in ways that prevent burnout rather than merely recover from it.

Richard reflects on his 20-year journey as “the doctor’s doctor,” supporting thousands of professionals through burnout, anxiety, and depression.  This conversation examines the systemic causes of burnout, the importance of psychologically safe workplace cultures, and how leaders can reach in, rather than expecting individuals to toughen up or “be more resilient.”

Jayne and Richard also unpack the Exhaustion Funnel and Burnout Cliff models, offering clear and compassionate ways to recognise early warning signs, restore balance, and cultivate connection. Together, they invite listeners to rethink resilience, not as an individual trait, but as something built through relationships, care, and community.

A hopeful and practical start to the new series, this episode is for anyone who wants to thrive in demanding environments without losing themselves in the process.

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to the Burnout to Brilliance Podcast

00:45 Welcoming Dr Richard Duggins

01:20 Rethinking Resilience: Beyond the Individual

04:00 The Exhaustion Funnel: How Balance Narrows Over Time

07:15 The Cost of Isolation and the Power of Connection

09:45 What Organisations Can Do to Prevent Burnout

12:30 The Burnout Cliff: Spotting the Signs Before Collapse

16:10 Finding Your People and Building Safety at Work

20:15 The Role of Leadership and Psychological Safety

25:00 From Burnout to Brilliance: Reigniting Hope

28:00 Reflections and Closing Thoughts

Dr Richard Duggins
Author of Burnout-Free Working
Burnout-Free Working on Amazon

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs

In this episode of the Art of Balance Podcast, hosted by Jayne Morris, the UK’s Leading Executive Burnout Coach, we explore the truth about resilience and burnout with special guest Kai-Nneka Townsend. A Leadership Resilience & Burnout Consultant with over a decade of experience in the corporate world, Kai-Nneka shares her powerful story of reaching breaking point, and how it led her to redefine what true resilience looks like.

Together, Jayne and Kai-Nneka unpack the myths around resilience in leadership, explore how stress shows up differently for high achievers, and introduce a five-part model of real, sustainable resilience. They discuss why pushing through isn’t a strategy, how personal challenges intensify work-related stress, and why recovery starts with intentional pauses and support, not spa days or surface solutions.
Whether you're a leader, coach, or someone navigating stress, this episode offers compassionate insight, practical strategies, and a vital reminder that real resilience begins with looking after yourself.

Episode Timeline

00:00 Introduction to the Art of Balance Podcast

00:47 Meet Our Guest: Kai-Nneka Townsend

01:17 Kai-Nneka’s Personal Burnout Story

04:41 The Hidden Pressure of Leadership and Lack of Support

09:53 Why Holidays and Spa Days Aren’t Enough

14:17 Noticing the Silent Burnout of Other Leaders

16:55 What Real Resilience Looks Like: A 5-Part Model

21:57 Reframing Resilience and Letting Go of Overperformance

23:58 Planning Ahead for Stressful Seasons

28:09 The Power of Coaching and Safe Spaces

31:50 Overplayed Strengths and the Role of Reflection

35:34 Practical Ways to Pause on Purpose

37:01 Final Reflections: Alignment, Bravery & Sustainable Change

38:49 Closing Remarks and Gratitude

Connect with Jayne Morris MCC
The UK’s leading executive burnout coach & author of Burnout to Brilliance

LinkedIn: @jaynemorrisMCC

Burnout to Brilliance on Amazon

Follow Balanceology
LinkedIn: @Balanceology
Website: www.balanceology.uk

About Balanceology
Balanceology is a leading coaching organisation dedicated to preventing workplace burnout and restoring sustainable success. Through talks, workshops, trainings, coaching and retreats, Balanceology supports individuals and organisations to work well, live fully, and thrive.

The Balanceology Certified Burnout Coach CPD Training is ICF accredited and carries 70CCEUs