In case you're new to the podcast, Buzz was my Tuesday co-host from 2017 through last year's election when he decided to retire. But we've been friends for much longer than that. I was Buzz's intern at WJFK in Washington, DC back in 1993. Today we talked about Buzz's on-the-ground activism, the emerging fracas between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, and we talked a lot about hope today, so get ready for a big dose of hopium, as they say. Meantime, make sure to support this podcast by subscribing at patreon.com/bobcescashow. Music by Marina Rocks.

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